by quellycatface 20 Replies latest social current
The men who ran this soldier down in a street in London and hacked him to death were found guilty in the Old Bailey today. All in the name of Islam. How destructive religion can be.
My thoughts go to Drummer Rigby, his family and friends at such an awful time.
Peace and love to all xx
There of course could have been no other verdict.
My thoughts do too. It's so sad but fueled by politicians as well as religion. MPs cannot reliquish all resposibility for sending kids to war in Afghanistan and othe Muslim countries. IMO, it's all about the money not the human rights as they profess. But that's just my view.
Kate xx
fueled by politicians as well as religion. MPs cannot reliquish all resposibility for sending kids to war in Afghanistan and othe Muslim countries
Kate, please tell me that you don't see even a shred of justification for what these monsters did?!
The muslim boys are monsters and have no sense of internal justice, they have been punished. But more needs to happen, politics and religion are resposible for fuelling these monsters instead of teaching them peace. Tony Blair should not have sent troops into Iraq. We had protests but he did not act in the best interests on our nation or Iraqi women and children. He made things worse for everyone.
But that's what I saw, I may be wrong, it's my opinion though
Sam xx
If you want to be a soldier (as these morons claimed) go fight in a war. There are rules for how wars are to be fought, read up on the Geneva Conventions. These animals violated the rules of war and should have been treated according to those rules, i.e. summarily executed when captured.
Islam is a religion of hatred and oppression. Not just "extreme" Islam, all of it.
It belongs to the dark ages and must be opposed without compromise.
These 2 cowards should be locked up and forgotten about.
Cofty: It belongs to the dark ages and must be opposed without compromise.
I do not disagree, but just how do you propose that this can be done?
The Brits controlled what is now Pakistan for a long period of time. Note this opinion from a Wikipedia entry on the 'British Heritage of Pakistan.'
The modern State of Pakistan had been a part of British India which was an integral part of the British Empire that lasted more than a century. After the United Kingdom willingly granted the independence of state in 1947, that was conceived in early 1930s, the British left influential mark in language, public administration,education, architecture, communication, the political system, thinking and nature. These marks are the British heritage of Pakistan which is traced in deep life cycles of common man's life in Pakistan.
Over the 100 years of British rule that radically reshaped the superstructure of the country and was the door to modernity. The country's English heritage has played a greatest role in amorphous military tradition of Muslim culture into a streamlined modern forces.
Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_heritage_of_Pakistan
In spite of the opinion of Jwdaughter, that Muslims love America, it is clear that at street level, there is a reservoir of hate for the west. This incident and the grisly detail revealed at the trial was one of the things I had in mind in that thread in this section.
More than 100 years of British rule did not change the essential characteristics of Islam, though it must be said that the west has not helped.
From the time that western Europe came into contact with Islam during the crusades, western, Christian European behaviour has often been worse than the Muslims. John Robinson has written a fascinating study of the Knights Templar (a militant Christian military order) and their role in the Crusades. (Dungeon, Fire and Sword-the Knights Templar in the Crusades-Brockhampton, 1999).
August 20, 1191 was a bright clear day, and a day when a prisoner exchange agreed on by the Muslim General Saladin and England's Richard I (the Lionheart) was scheduled to ocurr. The fortified city of Acre had recently fallen to the Christians (hence the negotiations). Saladin had made the first cash payment to get back Muslim families that had lived in Acre before its capture. The Muslim army was waiting on surround hills to receive their ransomed kin. As they watched a city gate opened and a detachment of Christian Anglo-French troops marched out to a low hill called Ayyadieh. They were followed by a great crowd of men in chains, with their women and children clinging to them driven by whips and clubs to the hill (where the action would be more visible to the watching Muslim army). These were the people for whom Saladin had paid Richard a ransom.
Then a scene developed that led the watching Muslims to gasp in disbelief. The Christian Richard was breaking his agreement his agreement. The Christian soldiers began to kill the ransomed prisoners. Swords and spears flashed in the morning sun as men women and even babes in arms were slaughtered in a frenzied blood lust. The waiting, horrified Muslim army charged but were repelled by Richard's soldiers until the last of the Muslim prisoners and been killed by the Christian butchers. Some of them went from corpse to corpse, cutting their stomachs open in a greedy search for gold that may have been swallowed.
So the Christian* Richard I, often known as 'Lion-heart' may better be called ' The Butcher of Ayyadieh.'
We should note, in fairness, that Christian crusaders could be just as vicious and cruel to other Christians. In 1204 a Christian, crusader army beseiged and captured Constantinople, capital of the Byzantium Empire and a Christian stronghold against increasing Muslim conversions in west Asia. A three day orgy of rape and slaughter followed the cities capture. Even Orthodox nuns were dragged from their monasteries (convents) and gang raped, by these Chrsitian monsters.
The fall of Constantinople (to other Christians) greatly weakened the Byzantine empire (only one rreason for that, though) and in 1453 the city finally fell to the muslim, Ottomon Turks. It remains a Muslim city - thnx in part to the cruelty, greed and viciousness of the Chrstian crusaders.
Where is Jesus when he's needed? Ah! yes! I forgot he's patiently waiting with great forbearance until the right time (hahahahhahahahahah!!)
* Richard was also homosexual (when young, we know of an affair that he had with Philip II of france) and always begging Yahweh's forgiveness for screwing men. But to balance Richard's homosexuality, Saladin also liked to go to bed with handsome young men.
1. My post is not intended, Cofty, to gainsay your conclusion. My point is simply that both religions are evil at heart. The west can be just as evil in its conquests.
Not everyone agrees that Richard and Philip had an affair. However, Richard's homosexuality has been noted.
The essential evidence for the Richard/Philip bed play is this:
Hoveden: Vol II, pp. 63-64 This is the Latin text, from Stubbs edition as given in Boswell CSTH 231.
Ricardus dux Aquitaniae, filus regis Angliae, morum fecit cum Philipo rege Franciae, quem ipse in tantum honoravit per longum tempus quod singulis diebus in una mensa ad unum cantinum manducabant, et in noctibus non seperabat eos lectus. Et diliexit eum rex Franciae quasi animam suam; et in tantum se mutuo diligebant, quod propter vehmentem delictionem quae inter illos erat, dominus rex Angliae nimio stupore arreptus admirabatur quid hoc esset.
Boswell translates this, accurately I think,
Richard, [then] duke of Aquitaine, the son of the king of England, remained with Philip, the King of France, who so honored him for so long that they ate every day at the same table and from the same dish, and at night their beds did not separate them. And the king of France loved him as his own soul; and they loved each other so much that the king of England was absolutely astonished and the passionate love between them and marveled at it.
Note that "lectus" does mean bed, couch and nothing else here, and "deligo" is probably best translated as "love" although it could, I suppose, mean "esteem" - clearly a too weak translation here.
