A bona fide Circuit Overseer endorses jw.net!

by abiather 40 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • abiather
    abiather

    Though he is a typical WT slave, we are like David and Jonathan.

    In my most intimate conversation with him, I asked him:

    How do you manage serving an organization built on inherent contradictions?”

    He said: “Organization helps people to grow spiritual, like any other religious organizations do. Its teachings are like scaffolding for a new building. Let the scaffolding be of any make—metal, wooden, mixed or sub-standard! It does serve a purpose despite its contradictions.”

    What do you mean by teachings like scaffolding?

    “It is the building (not scaffolding) you are interested in and finally going to use! Let them have professed teachings; but you can go by your conviction and be discreet about it.”

    For example:

    1) Let them profess ban on blood-transfusion; yet in practice, you can do what you like. (Because Bible says blood of a perfect man was used for saving man eternally; hence blood of any imperfect human could be used for saving life for a time—there is no violation in principle).

    2) Let them teach worldly rulers are servants of Satan; yet you know Bible calls them “servants of God.” (Romans 13:1-6). Hence you can decide what to do with your obligations to your country. If you partake in country’s election, you are only supporting “God’s arrangement” or His way of ensuring law and order on earth!

    The teaching that worldly rulers are servants of Satan has its roots in a misunderstanding of a Genesis account. We say Adam and Eve ate of the forbidden tree and this constituted an attack on God’s sovereignty which, in turn, paved the way for human rulers; hence they are said to be the servants of Satan. But we know that “nakedness, pregnancy and motherhood” are the effects of sexual act (not of eating of a literal tree). (Genesis 3:10, 16, 20) Even after millenniums, the Hebrews were using the word “KNOW” as a synonym for “SEXUAL INTERCOURSE.” (Mathew 1:25)

    “Be fruitful and increase in number” is a commandment given not only to humans, BUT ALSO TO OTHER SPECIES. (Genesis 1:20-22, 28) All living things reproduce. There are two types of reproduction: asexual and sexual. Numerous varieties of asexual reproduction exist in the cases of bacteria, sea sponges, plants, and animals. School Text books teach that evolutionary ASEXUAL reproduction came before sexual reproduction. And it continued for a period: “And that is what happened.” (Genesis 1:30).

    Then he concluded: “There may be many teachings against your conviction. They are all like scaffolding!”

    How do I know which one is like scaffolding?

    This is where he said:

    Post your doubts in jw.net, and take average of both what they say and what JWs say—you get the truth!

  • Oubliette
    Oubliette

    abiather: Post your doubts in jw.net, and take average of both what they say and what JWs say—you get the truth!

    Well that's a convoluted clusterf*ck of a response.

    How could this guy still belong to this "scaffold" that insists on complete, unquestioning obedience?

    That being said, your beliefs--or anyone's for that matter--should not be determined by taking "an average" from an anonymous semi-public forum. I love the openness of discussion and exchange of ideas her, but from that we still need to figure things out for ourselves.

    Letting others determine our beliefs, well that's just stupid.

    Ne te quaesiveris extra.

  • besty
    besty

    Tell him JWN says he is a regional manager for a real estate company, and on average, he will be fired without a pension.

  • rmt1
    rmt1

    1984 (1984) Winston and O'Brien's first meeting

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqkPNLb-90c

  • abiather
    abiather

    Oubliette

    That is why he said: "Be discreet about it!"

    That tells everything!

    It means: "Who is going to know what you believe DEEP in your heart?" (His view is that we cannot change the organization, hence change your perspective)

    For a circuit overseer to come this far--not an ordinary thing.

    Yet it tells at least some JWs--including some COs--are visiting jw.net

  • besty
    besty

    Ask him if Jerusalem was destroyed in 597, on average?

  • Oubliette
    Oubliette

    abiather: That is why he said: "Be discreet about it!"

    In the meantime he is continuing to live a lie and a pretense. Also, the fact that he remains in a position of authority influences others to remain part of the organization, an organiztion he apparently knows to be filled with contradictions and false teachings.

    This is just wrong.

    • A man who stands for nothing will fall for anything. - Malcolm X
  • Oubliette
    Oubliette

    Ask him if disfellowshipped people should only be shunned every other day, on average?

  • Narcissistic Supply
    Narcissistic Supply

    Narcissistic bullshit

    He will do anything and say anything for his narcissistic supply.

  • Oubliette
    Oubliette

    Ask him is the FDS is actually NOT just the 8 GB members, but is really 6,302 people, on average.

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