Anybody have ideas about the double slit experiement with particles, how they react based on a human mind observing them?

by EndofMysteries 60 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  EndofMysteries

  So does the particle know if the record button is on or not or does the expectation of an individuals mind who hits the record button make the particle act as would be logical to them?

  If our minds 'faith', assured expectation, using just 5% of our mind can manipulate something so tiny the naked eye can't see, then does that open the possibility of using more of our minds making it capable of doing greater things.

  Also if our thought or expectation makes the particle act that way, then that could open up for some scientific logic of how God can 'will' and 'think' things into existence. His thoughts could do on a much grander scale what ours did.
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  EndofMysteries

  adamah - when you mention the sensor interacting or interfering, how is there a change if the sensor is fully working and if it's saving/recording?

  For example I have a canon camera. I can take all the pictures I want but if I don't have an SD card in the camera, it won't save and record the data. But the camera is still working and operating identically as it would if the SD card was inside.

  From what I've gathered in reseaching that experiment, the sensors were fully working, they merely changed if it was saving/recording the data or not. If it was saved/recorded, they acted as expected, if they didn't, then they acted as the wave.

  I can understand if the sensor was turned off, but since they did it with them on, just not recording/saving the data, that is the part which does not make sense.
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  adamah

  EOM said-

  So does the particle know if the record button is on or not or does the expectation of an individuals mind who hits the record button make the particle act as would be logical to them?

  You're accepting the woo presented in the YouTube video, where there's pure fantasy inserted into the real experiment, taking it WAY beyond what experiment found.

  Photons cannot 'think', or 'know': as SNR said above, it's utter nonsense to use that kind of language in regard to the behavior of photons. Photons don't exist as sentient beings no more than Gods do, and whether anyone SIMPLY wants them to (or doesn't want them to) exist has no bearing on REALITY.

  EOM said- If our minds 'faith', assured expectation, using just 5% of our mind can manipulate something so tiny the naked eye can't see, then does that open the possibility of using more of our minds making it capable of doing greater things. Also if our thought or expectation makes the particle act that way, then that could open up for some scientific logic of how God can 'will' and 'think' things into existence. His thoughts could do on a much grander scale what ours did.

  Great, you've devised a hypothesis, and came up with a pseudo-intellectual argument to support it which may impress weak-minded individuals.

  Now, devise an experiment that'll support it, and then we'll talk. Until then, you've got only another permutation of a fantasy which many have failed to demonstrate (and it's not from lack of trying!), which needs evidence before a skeptic is going to accept the idea as anything but an attempt at Walter Mitty's wish fulfillment....
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  Billy the Ex-Bethelite

  "From what I've gathered in reseaching that experiment, the sensors were fully working, they merely changed if it was saving/recording the data or not. If it was saved/recorded, they acted as expected, if they didn't, then they acted as the wave."

  I guess I don't understand what experiment you're talking about. Do you have a link to a published and reviewed paper with data that has successfully been duplicated? Are you just talking about what's described in the youtube video?
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  adamah

  EOM said-

  "From what I've gathered in reseaching that experiment, the sensors were fully working, they merely changed if it was saving/recording the data or not. If it was saved/recorded, they acted as expected, if they didn't, then they acted as the wave."

  Begs the question: if they weren't recording, then how did they determined they behaved as a wave?

  Sounds more like an updating for the 20th Century (i.e. with the inclusion of photons) of the old saw of pseudo-philosophers: "If a tree falls in the forest, but there's no one present to hear it, will it make a sound"?

  Adam
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  Billy the Ex-Bethelite

  "Now, devise an experiment that'll support it, and then we'll talk."

  Would this qualify as an experiment proving the power of observation?

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J---aiyznGQ

  You can't post stuff like that on the Internet if it isn't true. There's some woo for you
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  adamah

  BTXB said-

  Would this qualify as an experiment proving the power of observation?

  Hey now: don't be hatin' on keyboard cat!

  You're likely just jealous of what clearly is an immensely gifted feline, a talented tickler of the ivories! Your hatred and jealousy drives you to make that unfounded allegation (likely due to past painful interactions with cats who clawed you as a child, and you harbor animosity and ill-will, to this day).

  For two, you cannot PROVE that the video is faked, so therefore, it MUST be true!

  For three, what kind of fiend would stage and post faked videos to YouTube? I can't think of ANY possible motivation, so it MUST be true!

  So with those THREE completely insurmountable knock-out blows thus delivered in defense of keyboard cat, I now rest my carcass, and bid you a fond farewell....
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  wallsofjericho

  KateWild said:

  I am a wind-up merchant, you may think it's boring, but you're just a scourge then aren't you? Life is fun, and full of wind ups. If I wind you up consider it a priviledge, I am paying you attention to get a laugh

  KateWild should be banned from JWN. You and people like you are the last persons any of us need in our lives, here or elsewhere. Now GET LOST!

  Simon and any other mods - please consider this my request to permanently ban KateWild from JWN
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  Billy the Ex-Bethelite

  "You're likely just jealous of what clearly is an immensely gifted feline, a talented tickler of the ivories!"

  Keyboard Cat beat me out of a gig playing in the dark corner of a coffee shop, so of course I'm bitter. Given the chance, I might try a two slit experiment on that feline to check it's wave/particle properties.
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  EndofMysteries

  Billy - I just posted the youtube video because I thought it explained it very easily for almost anybody to understand. Here are some more professional resources on it.

  http://arstechnica.com/science/2012/05/disentangling-the-wave-particle-duality-in-the-double-slit-experiment/ " if you track the particles through a single slit, the interference pattern vanishes"

  Here is an actual experiment, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheeler%27s_delayed_choice_experiment " According to the results of the double slit experiment, if experimenters do something to learn which slit the photon goes through, they change the outcome of the experiment and the behavior of the photon. If the experimenters know which slit it goes through, the photon will behave as a particle."

  Here is a detailed experiment, go to page 32, section 4.3.1 http://physics.mq.edu.au/~jcresser/Phys301/Chapters/Chapter4.pdf

  The experiment consists of shining
  a light on the slits so that, if an electron goes through a slit, then it scatters some of this light,
  which can then be observed with a microscope. We immediately know what slit the electron
  passed through. Remarkably, as a consequence of gaining this knowledge, what is found is that
  the interference pattern disappears, and what is seen on the screen is the same result as for bullets.