Need help from JW History Buffs

by ILoveTTATT 50 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  ILoveTTATT

  You need a statement from the WT stating so. It is not enough to guess or to surmise.

  Totally agree with you 100%... I still have to find something that says something like, "if it is here it is endorsed"...

  This is JUST to close the loop of the apologists... just so that they are completely silenced and cannot have a chance at calling the apostates liars.

  If this statement cannot be found, however, it is evident by the sheer amount of negative articles at the beginning, and then more and more assertive articles later on, up to the 1931 article, that the WT was decidedly anti-vaccination back then.
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  ILoveTTATT

  It seems like the cuckoo magazines from which a lot of the articles against vaccination and against medicine in the Golden Age came from is still alive...

  http://www.getwellstaywellamerica.com/index.htm

  http://www.getwellstaywellamerica.com/Shelton/SheltonTimelinePg3.htm - mentions the "How To Live" Magazine and G.R. Clements
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  ILoveTTATT

  I finally got to the February 4th, 1931 article.

  They connected vaccination with bestiality... and DONE... wrong for Christians...
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  ILoveTTATT

  I need to apologize to Paul (jwfacts)... I just wanted proof that if it was included in the Golden Age, it was endorsed. I have not really found a direct proof of this, but I have indirect ones (the last one might be called a direct one, imho):

  1. Christmas was abolished for JW's using an article that appeared in the Golden Age. They mentioned the author's name, but that didn't mean that it was taken as the personal opinion of the author, it was made binding on all Bible Students / JW's...

  2. The amount of negative viewpoints towards vaccinations far exceeds the number of positive ones. We are talking around 85% negative vs 15% positive... the positive ones were only at the beginning of the articles, but after 1925, all of the articles that dealt with vaccination were negative.

  3. The very first article of the Golden Age, the introductory one, explained that the magazine was "backed by some of the best and ablest men in the world and shall be maintained as an educational medium for the purpose of explaining the true relationship between science, agriculture, labor and pure religion" (Golden Age, October 1st, 1919, p.3)
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  ILoveTTATT

  This is my list of references, so far: (I want to get up to 1952, then fast forward to 1993 and 1996)

  Revista	Fecha, Páginas	Nombre del Autor	Positivo/Negativo?
  Golden Age	Abril 27, 1921, p. 440-442	G. Del Pino, Glasgow	Positivo
  Golden Age	Julio 20, 1921, p.634-636	Mrs. W. R. Burzacott	Negativo
  Golden Age	September 14, 1921, p. 754	H.A. Rutschour, D.C.	Negativo
  Golden Age	October 12, 1921, p.8	A.M. Wilton, M.D.	Negativo
  Golden Age	October 12, 1921, p.9	“Doctor”	Positivo
  Golden Age	October 12, 1921, p.9-10	A.M. Wilton, M.D.	Negativo
  Golden Age	October 12, 1921, p.10-12	L.W. Putman, M.D.	Positivo
  Golden Age	October 12, 1921, p.13-14	J.J. Wentzel	Negativo
  Golden Age	October 12, 1921, p.14	W.M. Pugh	Negativo
  Golden Age	October 12, 1921, p.15-16	Mrs. Mary E. Burnet	Positivo
  Golden Age	October 12, 1921, p.16-17	A. Murray, M.D.	Positivo
  Golden Age	October 12, 1921 p.17	Mrs. R. Walter Maygrove	Negativo
  Golden Age	February 15, 1922 p.314	G. Del Pino	Positivo
  Golden Age	January 3, 1923, p.211-214	Mrs. Andrew J. Holmes	Negativo
  Golden Age	January 17, 1923, p.240-244	Walter H. Hadwen, M.D.	Negativo
  Golden Age	January 17, 1923, p.244-245	Walter F. Moser	Negativo
  Golden Age	November 7, 1923, p.80	General	Negativo
  Golden Age	November 7, 1923, p.87	F.R. Freer	Negativo
  Golden Age	July 30, 1924 p.687	Isaac L. Peebles, M.D.	Negativo
  Golden Age	October 8, 1924, p.17	General	Negativo
  Golden Age	October 8, 1924 p.18	Geo F. Herde	Negativo
  Golden Age	October 8, 1924 p.18	London Daily News	Negativo
  Golden Age	January 28, 1925, p.266	Doctors H.M. Shelton and B. Stanford Claunch	Negativo
  Golden Age	March 11, 1925, p.373	F.P. Millard, D.O.	Negativo
  Golden Age	April 22, 1925, p.451-455	Dr. R. A. Gamble	Positivo (Confiamos en el Dr…. Electronic Radio Biola)
  Golden Age	March 24, 1926, p.397	General	Negativo
  Golden Age	August 25, 1926, p.749-754	F.L. Wilson	Negativo
  Golden Age	September 8, 1926, p.792-796	G.R. Clements	Negativo
  Golden Age	October 20, 1926 p.41	General	Ambiguo
  Golden Age	August 10, 1927, p.712	General	Negativo
  Golden Age	August 24, 1927, p.749-750	General (“Contribuído)	Negativo
  Golden Age	January 11, 1928, p.237	General	Negativo (y con dibujos/fotografías)
  Golden Age	April 4, 1928, p.425	General	Negativo
  Golden Age	July 25, 1928, p. 695	G.W. Emery	Negativo
  Golden Age	November 28, 1928, p.147	Dr. B.H. Jones	Negativo
  Golden Age	January 23, 1929, p.260	General	Negativo
  Golden Age	February 6, 1929 p.301	General	Negativo
  Golden Age	April 3, 1929, p. 430, 431	General / Reprinted – Dr. George R. Clements	Negativo
  Golden Age	April 17, 1929, p.467-468	Herbert M. Shelton	Negativo
  Golden Age	May 1, 1929, p. 502-503	General / Reprinted – Dr. H. R. Rickards	Negativo
  Golden Age	July 24, 1929 p. 691-692	General / Reprinted – Dr. George R. Clements	Negativo
  Golden Age	July 24, 1929, p. 692	General *(First article explicitly stating it was THEIR view)	Negativo
  Golden Age	October 16, 1929, p.47-48	General / Reprinted – Dr. George R. Clements	Negativo
  Golden Age	October 16, 1929, p.48	Tenison Diane, M.D. (Editor agrees)	Negativo
  Golden Age	January 8. 1930, p.240-242	F.R. Freer (England)	Negativo
  Golden Age	February 5, 1930, p.299	General	Negativo
  Golden Age	February 19, 1930, p.341	General	Negativo
  Golden Age	April 2, 1930, p. 427-429	General	Negativo
  Golden Age	April 2, 1930, p. 439-440	Frank W. Rogers (New Jersey)	Negativo
  Golden Age	July 9, 1930, p.653	General	Negativo
  Golden Age	July 23, 1930, p.688	General / Wilbur J. Murphy, M.D.	Negativo
  Golden Age	August 6, 1930 p.707-713	General	Negativo
  Golden Age	September 17, 1930, p. 814	General	Negativo
  Golden Age	November 12, 1930 p.119	General	Negativo
  Golden Age	November 26, 1930 p.150	General	Negativo
  Golden Age	January 21, 1931, p.270	Dr. P. L. Clark (Illinois)	Negativo
  Golden Age	February 4, 1931 p.291-293	General *(This article made it wrong for Christians)	Negativo
  Golden Age	February 4, 1931 p.293-295	Charles A. Patillo, VA	Negativo
  Golden Age	February 4, 1931 p.295-300	H. Sillaway (Tennessee)	Negativo
  Golden Age	February 18, 1931 p.328	General	Negativo
  Golden Age	April 1, 1931, p.436	General	Negativo
  Golden Age	June 10, 1931, p.587	General	Negativo
  Golden Age	July 8, 1931 p.651	General	Negativo
  Golden Age	July 22 1931, p.693-694	Dr. P.L. Clark	Negativo
  Golden Age	August 19, 1931, p.749	General	Negativo
  Golden Age	August 19, 1931, p.754-755	General / Reprinted from The Quest	Negativo
  Golden Age	December 9, 1931, p.147-148	Louis S. Sigfried * (Real vaccination disaster)	Negativo
  Golden Age	February 3, 1932, p.273	General	Negativo
  Golden Age	March 16, 1932, p.374	General	Negativo
  Golden Age	March 16, 1932, p.375	General	Negativo
  Golden Age	March 30, 1932, p. 407	Emmanuel M. Josephson, M.D.	Negativo
  Golden Age	March 30, 1932, p. 408	General	Negativo
  Golden Age	March 30, 1932, p. 408	Martin Friedrich, M.D.	Negativo
  Golden Age	March 30, 1932, p.409	General / William C. Ostander (Famous drawing)	Negativo
  Golden Age	March 30, 1932, p.410	General	Negativo
  Golden Age	June 22, 1932, p.601-602	Albert W. Peacock	Negativo
  Golden Age	March 15, 1933, p.370	General / R.W. Lamson, Ph.D.	Negativo
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  Apognophos

  Interesting results, thanks for the research. I hadn't realized that the org. was once undecided on the subject, though I shouldn't be surprised since they were the same way with blood transfusions.
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  outsmartthesystem

  "The Watch Tower Society publications--according to the leadership--were edited by Jehovah. That's all you need to know."

  Bingo. It doesn't matter who wrote it so long as Jehovah put his stamp of approval on it through his faithful slave by publishing it.
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  outsmartthesystem

  If your opposition is going to claim that said articles aren't really the WT's true feelings on the matter simply because they were written by contributors.......then can't they claim something similar today? If you were to point out a contradiction of ideas or teachings from one magazine to the next, what is to stop an apologist from saying "well....THAT particular article is merely written by someone in the writing department that had a personal agenda.....therefore it does not reflect the TRUE position of the WT on the matter."?

  If the apologist is going to claim that an article that was published by God's Faithful Slave should not be scrutinized because it MAY not have contained the Faithful Slave's true feelings on the matter........then what articles throughout the history of their existence can we trust DID accurately represent their true feelings?
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  ILoveTTATT

  Now I found this gem (the gem is in the Spanish version of this):

  The "bona fide objection to vaccination" part, in Spanish, actually says "Christian Scientists or Jehovah's Witnesses"

  Can someone help me find the actual laws that state that a person HAS to be a JW/Christian Scientist to be able to qualify as a religios exemption to vaccinations?

  The more explicit, the better! Please help me to find a website...

  THANKS!

  The English version:

  http://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/articles/vaccination-exemptions

  Religious Exemptions

  Forty-eight states allow exemptions to vaccination for religious reasons. Some states statutes indicate that to receive a religious exemption, a family must belong to a religious group with bona fide objections to vaccination. They may, as Iowa does, ask a parent to attest that "immunization conflicts with a genuine and sincere religious belief and that the belief is in fact religious, and not based merely on philosophical, scientific, moral, personal, or medical opposition to immunizations." Other states simply require that a parent sign a form stating that he or she has religious objections to vaccination.

  Several legal cases involving the constitutionality of religious exemptions to vaccination have been tried. The rulings have in general upheld the right of states to mandate vaccination in spite of parents’ religious beliefs. At the same time, courts have often found that requiring parents belong to certain religious groups to qualify for religious exemptions violates the Constitution’s Equal Protection clause. The argument is that the Equal Protection clause should protect all people who claim a religious objection to vaccination, not only those who belong to a certain religion with recognized objections.

  The Spanish Version:

  http://www.historyofvaccines.org/es/contenido/articulos/exenciones-la-vacunaci%C3%B3n

  Exenciones religiosas

  Cuarenta y ocho estados permiten exenciones por razones religiosas. Algunos estados requieren que una familia pertenezca a un grupo religioso en particular que desaliente o normalmente decline la vacunación, como los Científicos Cristianos o los testigos de Jehová. Otros estados requieren que un padre de familia firme una declaración jurada en la que se exponen las objeciones religiosas contra la vacunación.

  Se ha intentado plantear varios casos legales donde se arguye la constitucionalidad de las exenciones religiosas a la vacunación. En general, los fallos han respetado el derecho de los estados a obligar la vacunación, a pesar de las creencias religiosas de los padres. Al mismo tiempo, con frecuencia los tribunales han descubierto que pedir a los padres a que pertenezcan a ciertos grupos religiosos para validar las exenciones religiosas transgrede la cláusula de protección equitativa establecida por la constitución. El argumento es que la cláusula de protección equitativa debe proteger a toda la gente que reclama una objeción religiosa a la vacunación, no sólo a quienes pertenecen a unas cuantas religiones con objeciones reconocidas.
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  ILoveTTATT

  Found it!

  http://www.ncsl.org/research/health/school-immunization-exemption-state-laws.aspx