it is actually bearing balls to be exact.
it takes balls, or whatever to deflect an argument like that, rather than answer it.
There Is No Atheist In Practice!
by abiather 31 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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abiather
When someone highlights the beneficial aspect of the Principle of cause and effect, how come you write words like “pseudoscience” which is the result of frustration?
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rawe
Hi Abiathar,
"1) In conscious level, everyone agrees with the principle of cause and effect that says a cause precedes every effect, and every effect is the cause for another effect/s"
Cause and effect is a rule of our universe. The problem with discussing the origin of the universe is you should not casually apply rules the govern actions within the universe to what is the case outside it. Rigorous discussions by cosmologists tend to avoid doing that, or at least acknowledge the problem. Thus...
Saying "cause & affect" - disallowed, artifact of the current universe
Saying "before & after" - dissallowed, time is an artifact of the current universe
Saying "matter or material" - disallowed, matter is an artifact of the current universe
Saying "energy" - disallowed, energy is an artifact of the current universe
Saying "God" - allowed, but since it can explain anything and is unconstrained, it ultimately means nothing
Saying "nothing" - allowed, since it comes the closest to talk about something outside of our universe
Cheers,
-Randy
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abiather
For centuries, it was thought that science can explain everything without God because it believed in materialistic reducibility. In this view, minds or consciousness,for instance, could be reduced to being a manifestation of the biological working of the brain based on the chemistry of nerve cells that were governed by laws laid down by physics. And physics,of course, could be reduced to matter and its interactions. NOTHING MISSING.
And adherents of such beliefs made it appear that all scientists were of same opinion.
However, Nobel laureate Eugene Wigner wrote that materialism was not logically consistent with present quantum mechanics. Sir Rudolf Peierls, another great 20th-century physicist, wrote, the premise that you can describe in terms of physics the whole function of a human being including knowledge and consciousness,is untenable. THERE IS STILL SOMETHING MISSING.
But quantum physics has now ushered in this enormous amount of uncertainty in matter that can only be resolved with the interaction of A MIND ON IT. If the human mind transcends matter to some extent,could there not exist minds that transcend the physical universe altogether? And might there not even exist an ultimate Mind?
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bohm
Abiather , Are you connected in any way with the Brahma Kumaris World Spiritual University or any of its many alternative names and sub-groups?
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KateWild
cofty aren't you worried I will get caught up in something insidious if I check it out? Kate xx
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KateWild
The red circular chart says it all. No one leaving a cult for the right reasons would really see this as a safe alternative. Having said that I suppose many are mor vulnerable than others depeding on how long the were exposed and what experiences they had.
Kate xx
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Phizzy
Abiathar, why not honestly answer Cofty's repeated question ?
In the O.P you said : " Atheists are reluctant to personify that PRIMARY CAUSE as God because of the history of religions which became a synonym for greed and human rights abuse."
I just love the way some believers lump all atheists together, and how they know their thinking processes.....not.
If such a thing as a Primary Cause could be identified and proven, it would not be a god.