It amazes me how proud some people are of their ignorance and lack of education and wear it like a badge of honor. Out of the box thinkers aren't undecuated and don't wear it like a badge of honor, they know their subject very very well, that's what enables them to think out of the box. It's irony that the uneducated and ignorant talk about being out of the box thinkers without realizing the education is what they need to see, understand and make the leap forward.
Millions die in Natural disasters - God is doing nothing. Do I adopt Anthropomorphism to him?
by KateWild 199 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
-
-
FlyingHighNow
Oh, I don't know, I've seen some toddlers who did some very out of the box thinking. I remember watching my sister's three year old take all the security devices off the clothing at a store one day. You know the ones: the ones the store employees needed a special tool to unlock. He also easily removed child proof caps.
-
prologos
Has not the academic establishment often promoted the status quo?, to only have advancement LEAPFROG over plodding, expected evolving progress? resulting in revolutionary, rather than steady progress?
trying to argue levels of education is evading the issues of the topic, particular points to be refuted.
Whenever the terms "ignorance", "uneducated" are used to bolster a non-argument, it seriously weakens what follows.
-
KateWild
(including his "cosmic religion" which Kate persists in quoting out of context, as if it carries the common meaning that the word "religion" carries),-Adam
Hello Adam, welcome to the thread, I hope you had a nice xmas and new year.
Right okay, about this misquoting business, I have been expressing my view about Einstein, and using him as an authority. From now on I will endeavour to be more genuine and add, when I state Einstein believed in God, but not a personal God.
After listening to a musician playing he stated out loud "Now I believe there is a God in heaven" obviously for believers this confirms our bias, but when he stated "I believe in Spinoza's God" it can be seen as contracdictory, was he a pantheist like Spinoza or a deist? Einstein was abiguous and vague, but he denied being an atheist that we know.
In conclusion Adam, I concede, I get your point and I will be more genuine and open in future. Okay?
Kate xx
-
KateWild
I am with flyinghighnow and Kate,- I am a deist. concentrating not on Atoms, but WORKS. I am astounded at the workings of Nature.-prologs
LOL! That's 3 labels I have been given on this thread, ATHEIST, THEIST, DEIST which label shall I choose? I dont think I am any but I am not a PANTHEIST either. Is there a cross between a DEIST and PANTHEIST? I have to do more research on all the 'EISTS at present I don't think any label fits.
I believe in God. Kate xx
-
Ruby456
Kate here are my thoughts
Einstein was a free thinker, so was Spinoza. imo they both valued the intelligence they saw around them in the material world and tried to marry the two together by deducing that there is one substance. I think this is a key way to understand the world but without taking the further step and extrapolating that there is a designer who works from a blueprint and that he/she has a different substance although it may appear like that. This latter is strict deism imo but still there is no personal God. Pantheism is at the other end of the deism spectrum imo in that god in the form of intelligence is in the material world and this is suggestive of material things speaking a language that can be deciphered and which is always evolving. As an atheist I don't equate intelligence with god but recognise that there is a lot of intelligence around us and only some of it is human. This is becoming complicated...the thing to remember is that deists argued with one another and with mainstream christianity.
So one thing we can get consensus on is that deists in general were mostly dissenters and freethinkers - agreed?
-
FlyingHighNow
Einstein was abiguous and vague, but he denied being an atheist that we know.
He probably didn't want to provoke his athiest peers, and lay himself wide open for their public criticism of his very personal beliefs.
.
-
besty
@kate
Einstein was abiguous and vague, but he denied being an atheist that we know.
You are still overlaying your own interpretation. Rather, it is factual to say "It seems to me that Einstein appears to be x,y,z" rather than your definitive "Einstein was x,y,z"
As to denying being an atheist, I suggest you Google "Einstein, atheist, Jesuit" :-) From what I have read it seems to me that Einstein was clearly pantheist.
Although it is tempting to say Einstein was this that or the other it is exactly the same as an atheist bringing "Richard Dawkins is an atheist. So there." to the table. Interesting, but ultimately meaningless.
-
KateWild
Ruby,
I like your thoughts, you have given me things to ponder, thank you for your contribution. Kate xx
-
KateWild
FHN,
I see your perspective, he was a public figure and Religion can hit a nerve with many. He was a diplomat in my view. Kate xx