If he doesn't know JW history of flip-flops you might get somewhere with stuff like organ transplants. Check jwfacts.com for more info. But like others said, don't back too many dumptrucks up on him at once. Take it one at a time. You will be amazed at what even active JW's don't know about their religious history.
i finally had "the truth" talk with the hubby
by monis 19 Replies latest jw friends
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Perry
Here's my website on the issue: http://bibleready.org/
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scary21
Look up Christadelphians. They believe almost the same as JW. They have been around longer then JW.
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OnTheWayOut
Try reading CRISIS OF CONSCIENCE together.
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monis
thank you all for the suggestions. I think i will order a copy of COC in Spanish and share it with him.
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jwfacts
but that they teach the truth about the trinity, the paradise earth, etc.
It would be good if he were open to reading through jwfacts.com about the doctrine, as it does highlight how Watchtower doctrine is poor, and based on a lot of dishonest information, misquotes and selective presentation of facts. For example, see Trinity and Paradise Earth. In neither article is a Christian agenda pushed, but just rather it shows the fallacies behind how the Watchtower directs their members to believe inaccurate information.
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pronomono
Billy, My thoughts exactly. I had the exact same thought seconds before reading this thread. It was like deja vu.
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Gentledawn
Watchtower Society submitted an application to become a member of the United Nations as an N.G.O. in 1991. They were accepted in 1992. They remained a member of the U.N. until The Guardian newspaper in the UK printed an article in 2001/2002, exposing their membership. They resigned as a U.N. member a few days or so later.
Representatives of the WTS tried to spin it as needing access to the U.N. library, but membership is not required in order to access the library. They later tried to say it had been a mistake (or misstep) by a single person. Trouble with that excuse is that the U.N. membership requires renewal (and signature on the renewal) each and every year. It also requires member organizations to publish two articles a year that support/extoll the virtues of the United Nations and their respective works. November 1998 Awake! mag has a whole cheerful spread on the U.N. (remember it because it's the same month my mom died).
What is so significant about the years the Watchtower was a member? We were all huddling in book study groups on Tuesday/Thursday evenings, studying the "Revelation is at Hand!" book, which equates the U.N. as being part of the disgusting thing at the end times.
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Another UK article (came out this past summer): the trial and conviction of Gordon Leighton (child molester).
What's significant about his case?
- He was not Disfellowshipped for his crime of molesting/raping a young child. He was "reproved". He was DF'd a short time later for "violence".
- he confessed his crime to the elders before being taken to court. He was DF'd at the time of trial, and yet three elders stood by his side for three years, forcing the court through a lengthy fight in order to hear the man's confession. They claimed "clergy-laity privilege". Again, this was a disfellowshipped man, who committed the crimes in question.
After the confession was heard by the court, he was found guilty for all but one count against him (think it was 7 out of 8 charges).
Likewise, as far as the Conti case goes: The Watchtower Society excuses themselves from caring about children by asserting that if the child is not a baptised member, then the Watchtower and its underlings are not responsible for what happens to that child. At the end of the original trial, the Watchtower Society alone had a judgment against them : "(Watchtower Society) who alone acted with malice" (paraphrasing; there were 3 defendents, if mem serves: the molester; the congregation; the Watchtower itself)
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Research: "Theocratic Warfare/War Strategy". It's the term used when the leadership and immediate underlings give themselves permission to LIE, even about mundane crap.
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caroline77
Hi Scary21. The Christadelphians have not changed their beliefs a great deal since 1850. There are some fundemental differences between them and the JW's.
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Gentledawn
The Guardian UK newspaper article, dated October 8th, 2001:
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2001/oct/08/religion.world
Jehovah's Witnesses link to UN queried
Sect accused of hypocrisy over association with organisation it has demonised.The United Nations is being asked to investigate why it has granted associate status to the Jehovah's Witnesses, the fundamentalist US-based Christian sect, which regards it as the scarlet beast predicted in the Book of Revelation.