I may not be able to hold the status quo for longer!

by ILoveTTATT 27 Replies latest jw friends

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  wasblind

  " Ask her to define a false prophet with the Reasoning Book "_____IloveTTATT

  On page 133 the WTS claim that they measure up to a true prophet

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  " If any individual or organization claim to represent God but decline to use God's personal name, and make it a practice to express thier own opinion on matters, are they measuring up to this important qualification of a true prophet ? "______Reasoning from the Scriptures Book page 133

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  But like Hananiah, The WTS taught people to believe in a falsehood :

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  " It is true that the Witnesses have made mistakes in thier understanding of what would occur at the end of certain time periods, but they have not made the mistake of losing faith or ceasing to be watchful. "____Reasonin from the Scriptures book page 136

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  I reckon Hananiah felt the same way

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  wasblind

  On page 134 of the Reasoning Book

  the WTS tries to compare themselves to Nathan the prophet

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  Thing is, Nathan did not claim what he told King David was from Jehovah

  it was only an opinion of his, that was corrected that very same night by an angel that was sent

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  ABibleStudent

  Hi ILoveTTATT, Would you feel comfortable asking your mother to watch the following video by a psychologist (i.e., Steve Hassan): Strategic Interactive Approach explained 2003 (1:23:23)? Just tell her that after watching the video, it removed all your doubts about the WTBTS.

  Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

  Robert
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  ILoveTTATT

  Phew!! That was a close one! kind of like the cuban missile crisis... Omg!!

  Thankfully, I decided to not touch the subject unless she brought it up, and she didn't!! It was just a tense dinner where all communication wad very light, how was your day? Good! Mine too...

  The good thing about all this is that now I have a plan of what I am gonna say when/if I drop the bomb.
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  Captain Blithering

  Phew! Some good ammunition up there from the reasoning book....
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  Rattigan350

  Tell her to define spirituality.

  " if you left my relationship with God a private matter."

  Where does this whole idea of a relationship with God come from? Sure Jesus is supposed to bridge the gap, the division, between Jehovah

  and sinful humans, so humans can have a relationship with Jehovah where they could not before. But that is the theological principle of the atonement, not a 'you must do' thing.

  "(I haven't hung out with a single JW friend in months, possibly a year or more"

  Tell her you don't have time for hanging around people. More important things like career and making money.

  But avoid doing what Island Man said and bringing up the False prophet and Pedophile issues. Don't make it an 'attack the Watchtower' issue, make it a 'It's my life and I want to take it back and live it' issue.
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  galaxie

  TTATT You say you know this is the ' only life', use it , enjoy it. Your advice to others is admirable, but shouldn't you apply this reasoning to youself first? Better to face it earlier than later. I hope you have freinds or even other family members around you who can help and support you. Always remember most if not all on this forum are with you.
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  Apognophos

  FWIW, I did think that was a pretty good plan of action, ILTTATT, but it's probably good that you were able to put off a confrontation. If you're really lucky, you'll get to put it off until you've moved (that was your plan, wasn't it?). It's easier to deal with some things over the phone.
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  DATA-DOG

  I highly recommend bringing out the "Criteria for Truth" given at the "God's Word is Truth" DC. It's a great way to start a conversation. Once everyone agrees that the criteria must be followed, you can select a talking point. I would choose predicting the END. All you need to do is contrast what God's word says about predicting the END, and what men have mistakenly predicted time and time again. Don't waver. Always bring the conversation back to the criteria for truth.

  Depending on how it goes, you may want to mention the whole "apostates being worthy of death for having private beliefs" thingy.. Just be candid. You could say," Mom. I KNEW that all Christians were domestics. I knew that no humans have been appointed over Christ's belongings. I knew this from prayer and Bible reading. [ Sorry, but you have to use the " mystical manipulation" card] According to this 1980's BOE letter that an Elder shared with me [ he remains anonymous ], "apostasy" is just having a private belief, ANY belief that is not in the WT magazine. So...was I an apostate for being correct BEFORE it was in print? Did I deserve death at that time?"

  The whole idea is to FORCE the mind to work. It might be a bit painful. You might feel a bit mean, but it has to be done if you want to give your mom the chance to wake up. Just my 2 cents. I know that it is hard. We have all been placed in an impossible situation.

  DD
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  jgnat

  She KNOWS things don't smell right in Denmark. That's why she's afraid to confront directly. Before you launch any reasoning with her, get permission, as in, "Do you REALLY want to know?" If she gives you permission, she is opening herself to really hear what you have to say. You got agreement first. If she says NO, the KNOWS anyways. And you can let it lie. She wants to keep you close to her, a mother who loves her son. Not a bad thing at all.