I am currently reading about the origins of the eukaryotic cell through endosymbiosis between a methanogen and a hydrogen producing bacteria that was the ancestor of mitochondria.
I wish people like Perry would discover the wonders of reality.
Who Made The Code?
by Perry 154 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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OnTheWayOut
Perry posts quotes from a fundy site that gets the quotes from some science sites and Perry and those people at the fundy site pretend they understand it. Perry posts some question about it, people attempt to answer that question even though the question totally misses the point.
Perry ignores the attempts to explain and just sticks to the simple words.
It's like the child that answers everything with "I know you are buy what am I?" "I know you are but what am I?"
They put all that code at the top of a bridge and fire it straight down with a cannon into the DNA so that it can all "fit" in there.
Any real answers are seen exactly like that to Perry. But I think he's one day going to realize that all that Christianity psuedo-science and pretending to know things is bunk.
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confusedandalone
Perry you sound like the jehober widness creation book.
Great job
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snare&racket
Cofty, endosymbiotic theory is EXACTLY what I had in mind for them. It is a good place to start from, we have literature on the evolution beyond this colaboration and lots of work and evidence on development before this.
Also I really want to show you guys something....we know enough, to make a living cell from the basic chemicals up....
http://www.ted.com/talks/craig_venter_unveils_synthetic_life.html
P.s. jesus I must be tired, my posts make less sense than normal, typo's are up 379% ! Back to the neurology revision :(
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Perry
we know enough, to make a living cell
Not even close .... once you get past the hype
"In other words, once the synthetic M mycoides genome is introduced in the bacterial cell, it transforms into an M mycoides. When it replicates, the off-springs too are M mycoides, carrying copies of the man-made genome. Venter believes, for all practical purposes, this is synthetic life. But other experts are saying that though the cell's control station is artificial, the cell itself isn't. Neither is it a new form of life —the artificial genome is an exact replica of a M mycoides genome."
So, where did all the coding come from in this example? Answer: From a mind. Language and information codes come from minds.
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prologos
A mind beyond the beginning.
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snare&racket
Your answer goes to show how little you know.
I didn't say it was an original piece of life never seen before, I said a living cell.
He used some bacterial DNA 'code' as a blueprint, and from those letters of A's T's C' and G's which represent simple chemical combinations, used those chemicals, which started quite seperatly in jars.... to form a living cell! Yes the DNA code was from a pre-existing bacteria, but I didn't say we have invented new life, I said we made a LIVING cell. A working cell ! WE DID.
AND....we did actually change the DNA slightly so that it could not live outside the lab, so in one way it was unique and man made, but I will let you off that as I appreciate how futile it would be to your decided mind.
As for the cell itself. There is one cell organelle (part of a cell) that he indeed had to take from another cell. Not because it was some godly, magical part of the cell, but because it is tiny and hard to make, but I would not be so dumb as to say they won't very soon be able to make one. This part is called a ribosome, but everything else they made from scratch. Do some ribosome spotting for yourself, and ask yourself again whether "Not even close" is accurate to my statement " we made a living cell" which is 100% true....
Perry, would you hop in a Boeing 747 and start hitting buttons and quoting search inputs from google and feel safe, or feel your passengers were safe? You have no idea what you are saying about this immensley complicated topic and you are wildly out of context and ignorant in what you are saying. You are free to do so, but if you DO actually want to understand it, go back to school. With the greates of respect, what is your profession? Inbetween posts tonight, per chance I have ACTUALLY been studying cells, neurones to be exact. This is what I do for a job... biology, anatomy, physiology and pathology. I don't think you are aware, you are actually discussing, year one, lesson one biology, not of a degree, not of higher education, but of high school biology.... and you are getting it wrong. I fear you are here to defend a stance, but for the people that come and read your thoughts, GO LOOK AT THE BOOKS.... not youtube, not me, not perry.
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EndofMysteries
I think one day science may say, if they don't want to say God, they may say a 4th or 5th dimensional creature, alien, etc.
They already say our entire universe may be the result of a 4th dimensional star that turned into a black hole, maybe soon science will be able to trace / measure / find it's own evidence of higher dimension intelligent life.
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prologos
Endofallmysteries: not a black hole a WHITE HOLE. you and I came out of it, one way or another.
S&R the topic was not your or my knowledge, it was about the big CAUSE, not the effects.
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snare&racket
Prologos, t
It is NOT MY knowledge or yours, I am quoting it straight from the textbooks, which is from journals, made up of papers, from experiments, from the labs and desks of scientists around the world.
The OP was about a CODE..... asking who, is negating the fact there IS NOT A CODE as the OP is implying. We assigned it letters so that we could comprehend it better. We could do that with anything and call it a code.
A rock falling down a mountain, based on the laws of physics, is either in contact with the mountain [1] or not [0]... oh my god, a falling rock can produce a binary CODE.... WHO MADE THE CODE?
That is what the OP is doing without realising it. BTW I don't answer topics I don't have an authority to answer on, or if I do, I admit my lack of knowledge. Such threads as this, I reply, not to debate or answer the already decided, but to signpost people who don't realise it is science wrapped in a cloak of pseudo-science, hitched to a bible, to.....
GO read a textbook people, Biology (international edition) by Campbell and Reece did me proud.
