Who Made The Code?

by Perry 154 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • EndofMysteries
    EndofMysteries

    S&R, this is the question he is trying to ask.... "" Summarizing the state of the art in the study of the code evolution, we cannot escape considerable skepticism. It seems that the two-pronged fundamental question: “why is the genetic code the way it is and how did it come to be?”, that was asked over 50 years ago, at the dawn of molecular biology, might remain pertinent even in another 50 years. Our consolation is that we cannot think of a more fundamental problem in biology."

    That statement is from "The ORIGIN of the genetic code - the universal enigma" at

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3293468/

    Instead of everyone trying to tell him to go to school or read a book, because if he does, the answer will be, "That was asked over 50 years ago, at the dawn of molecular biology, might remain pertinent even in another 50 years. Our consolation is that we cannot think of a more fundamental problem in biology."

    Science can't figure out the answer to the question. It leaves only 2 possibilites... 1. The means to find the answer on how it spontaneously happened hasn't been discovered yet. 2. It didn't spontaneously happen, it was 'created'.

  • Perry
    Perry

    Snare and Racket tries to solve this problem by imagining its all in our perception, it's an illusion of a code based on our perception and not actually a code itself:

    To call this a code, is to misunderstand what just happened ! WE MADE THE CODE to differentiate things we observed.

    Bill Gates calls it this:

    Bill Gates “DNA is like a computer program but far, far more advanced than any software ever created.” ― Bill Gates , The Road Ahead

    Whom should we believe? Snare and a Racket or Bill Gates?

  • Viviane
    Viviane

    This was already answered. DNA and life arise from chemistry, chemistry comes from physics.

    If you don't get it, take some classes.

  • EndofMysteries
    EndofMysteries

    S&R also pretends that the science community itself doesn't think the code is real, as per the government study I posted above.

    For being an expert in biology, how is he unaware of the most fundamental problem in biology?

  • prologos
    prologos

    S&R, whenever you sneak the word "you--IGNORANT--" into your text, you do yourself a disservice.

    The question was: Where did it come from.

    While Pery and many, like Bill Gates quoted in the opener, instinctively know that there is more to the answer than random initial chance,

    we highly respect the science, the ingenuity of the researchers on the subject and would vote for great funding to get at the foundations of it all.

    But finding the immensily complicated ways in which Life WORKS does not mean it is not WORK.

    WORK meant to be done well, and automatically, set up right from the beginning,

    or BEFORE.

  • snare&racket
    snare&racket

    End of mysteries, please give me a few minutes of your time.......

    DNA and its sister molecule RNA are simply sugar and nucleic acids.

    Deoxy-ribose (the sugar) + Nucleic Acid = DNA

    Ribose (the sugar) + Nucleic Acid

    RNA is simpler to form so we believe it came first. But how do you get sugar and nucleic acids? Simply as I said, stars make all the atoms such as hydrogen, oxygen, carbon, helium, nitrogen..... all of them, all are made in stars and get churned out into space. They all have charges, and so interact without any will or design, they literally have +v and -ve charges.

    Sugar for example is made of Carbon, Hydrogen and Oxygen hence we call them carbohydrates. This is what sugar is made of... (each letter represents an atom, carbon, hydrogen and oxygen)

    These are so simple, that they form in space, the molecules come together because of the charges of the individual atoms, like magnetic poles.

    SO going back to DNA, sugars can form themselves depending on the enviroment, just like everything else does.

    Nucleic Acids (D-NA) are likewise compunds, take a look at them....

    Guess what, see all those letters... they are all atoms, nitrogen, hydrogen, oxygen and are also made in stars too... These are the NUCLEIC ACIDS that form RNA and DNA (notice the DNA 'code' that was mentioned in the OP, each one is the representive of A C T G). The question that is so difficult is... in what enviroment ....did they come together?

    The scientists are not scratching there heads with an impossible puzzle, they are just looking for the enviroment and circumstances that best explain how these atoms came together. It isn't that we don't know how, it is that we have to work it out, then prove it before we can call it a fact.

    Just to give you a perspective of how these things come together, if you imagine the building blocks of a human starting at atoms, then making sugars and nucleic acids (DNA and RNA) the next stage is to have those nucleic acids join together and make AMINO ACIDS, these amino acids join together and make proteins. Everything in our body is made of proteins. So the stage before proteins and AFTER dna/rna is amino acids ok...

    In 1953, a science undergraduate made an experiment, he made several reconstructions of what early life on earth was potentially like. The gasses in the atmosphere, the amount of water, the level of electronic charge etc. Left to its own devices with nothing but the replication of earths early atmosphere and enviroment...guessed what formed spontaneously in the beakers out of 'thin air'? Amino Acids !!!!

    So please, keep in perspective, that quoting literature from 50 years ago is very different to the literature and knowledge we have now AND it is important to understand the science to know what is being debated and discussed. JW's refer to infighting amongst evolutionary biologists as to what colour skin the early homo-erectus had, to say that there is inconsistency, infighting and lack of unity and varied opinions in the science community on evolution. Out of context it can seem like they are empty handed.

    To say we have no knowledge, no understanding, no idea, no theories and no evidence of how this 'code' came about, is simply untrue.

    We could make and replicate the formation of dna and rna no problem in a lab, but that is useless, we have to work out how it happened originally, this is a branch of science all of itself, ABIOGENESIS. We need to find evidence for WHERE DNA and RNA formed. Was it here or on another planet and in what enviroment? If it was here, we have lots of theories as to how and by what means and they look for evidence of earths enviroment at that time to confirm it, but that is no easy task. Some believe it happened elsewhere (panspermia) and that simple life evolved in another enviroment in space, quite possible, you could just dial the conditions to make it more favourable. But whilst scientists are dedicating there LIVES to figure this out. Somone is posting literature from someone 50 yearsa ago, and claiming we are hopelessly ignorant, with implications of a deity and some magical creation.

    Hopefully you appreciate that the situation presented is not accurate at all.

    As for the rest of Perry and Prologo's comments, I am not here for them. Bill gates did not study biology, he made minesweeper, also this isnt my knowledge, its Bill Gates OR Biological Science, it is very disingenous to present it any other way. As for the word ignorant, it isnt an insult, it is a fact. I am ignorant in how to make DOS or Windows 98 or Microsoft Paint work. Perry is ignorant of biology 101, it isn't an insult, it is self evident. I am also ignorant of american football rules, much of physics, most of math, most literature, a lot of chemistry, much of history... etc etc.. however I did attend biology 101 and passed with distinction. It isn't a competition, it is just the literal reality of it.... ignorant or informed.

  • Perry
    Perry

    Snare and a racket says:

    Some believe it happened elsewhere (panspermia) and that simple life evolved in another enviroment in space

    So your Space Daddy did it? Nevermind, the problem I have is with your use of the word "simple" to describe ANY life, no matter how minute.

    Let's switch gears a little. Some guys over at Harvard have been quite busy studying the illusion of design that you believe really isn't there, and have stuffed

    700 terabytes of data into a single gram of DNA.

    That's quite a "perception" of design wouldn't you say? Where did all the vast coding and language capability come from?

  • snare&racket
    snare&racket

    Perry, you are like a milkman debating quantum mechanics that you quote, that is copy and paste, from a google search. It is pointless discussing anything with you, you don't understand the basics.

    Simple is relative. Unsuprisingly, it does not appear simple to those who have not gone to biology 101, or worse...did go and still don't get it....

    If you read and understood my reply, you would recognise the potential of the formation of simple molecules in various enviroments and the potential for panspermia. If you didn't you may equate it with, oh I don't know... a space daddy

    Go back to what you do, whatever you are good at or understand at least.

    At least have the humility to recognise you don't know something you are not educated in, jesus !

  • Viviane
    Viviane

    Perry, why do you think how much modern data storage is involved or how many unspecified books it would take means anything?

  • snare&racket
    snare&racket

    You do realise we could assign a data size to the binary code produced with a falling rock, again for the short memoried 1 = hitting the mountain, 0= midair.

    101010101010101010101010101

    We could monitor one mountain and measure all the tumbling in an hour.... oh 3 terabytes of binary 'CODE'......

    It doesn't mean anything you barn owl!

    I don't think you get it.

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