An e-mail I received this morning

by borgfree 26 Replies latest jw friends

  • detective
    detective

    Dedalus, I agree with you.

    Color me evil.

    Speaking of bible peddlers- again I'll refer back to the late, great Flannery O'Connor who takes the bible toting salesman to even more amusingly twisted levels. For those of you who are unfamiliar with this southern writer, she has a notable collection of short stories to her credit. Her story of a bible salesman gone a bit awry is a classic. Assuming my memory isn't failing me, the story is entitled "A Good Man is Hard to Find".

    p.s. to Dedalus, I have a couple of poems that may appeal to you a bit more than the above fuzzy, feel good story. I found them in some poetry mags a few years back. I realize I don't know you, but I have this feeling...
    I'll try to post them later if I ever get my lazy self motivated.

  • Yerusalyim
    Yerusalyim

    Dedalus,

    I tend to agree that yes, like MOST internet stories, this is hogwash, However, the dude I told you about was a hard news story in teh Tennesian and Clarksville's Leaf Cronicle.


    YERUSALYIM
    "Vanity! It's my favorite sin!"
    [Al Pacino as Satan, in "DEVIL'S ADVOCATE"]

  • borgfree
    borgfree

    Just to add a couple of comments. The man who wrote the article, put his name at the bottom, I removed his name before posting. I do not put a lot of importance in most of the e-mails floating around the internet. I cannot say for sure whether or not this one is true, signing his name, would make me believe it may be true.

    As far as the "feel good" part is concerned, I think it has value. If we were in deep trouble somewhere, maybe in a strange city, what kind of person would we like to meet? I think I would be glad if the man in this story were to offer help.

    Like Phil Donahue used to say, "what kind of a world do you want?"

    Borgfree

    "You can complain because roses have thorns, or you can rejoice because thorns have roses." -Ziggy
  • Double Edge
    Double Edge
    Okay, I'm gonna be the big bad bear and say that the story, to me, is a piece of mawkish tripe and I regret having wasted the time it took to read it.

    Let me guess....you also dislike, puppies, cuddly babies, a brilliant brisk morning after an evening rain, or anything that slightly 'tugs' at the 'heart'.... in fact, that's right... HEART is a noun, not an adjective...what was I thinking...REALITY is only what we can SEE with our COLD calculating eyes...sorry, I got off the track for a moment.

    Borgfree: while I wasn't thinking straight, I really liked the story...thanks for sharing.... anything positive makes my day..(or made my day...now that I'm back into reality .....

  • dedalus
    dedalus

    Double Edge,

    Well, I do like cuddly babies, since I have one of my own, and I've enjoyed long, contemplative walks on brisk mornings, everything drab and wet slowly colored by the rising sun. Is reality only what we see with our eyes? I don't quite believe that. I probably agree with you about a lot of things that are "touching," only not this particular story of a bum bible-distributor wandering the country because the voice in his head tells him to.

    Borgfree,

    If we were in deep trouble somewhere, maybe in a strange city, what kind of person would we like to meet?
    I can see that. Read Independence Day, by Richard Ford, for a contemporary man navigating the landscape in seach of some personal meaning -- no easy, mawkish solutions there, no voices in his head but his own, and yeah, he meets people in situations that change him, by gradual increments.

    Detective,

    I'll be looking for those poems. "A Good Man is Hard to Find" isn't the story about the bible salesman, but I can't think of the title you're looking for. O'Connor is awesome, and she was a "true believer," too. She would have been disgusted by this story, I'm sure.

    Big happy warm fuzzy hugs for everyone,
    Dedalus

  • Billygoat
    Billygoat

    Borgfree, thank you for sharing that story! I've read it before, but it's nice reading it again.

    Whether you are a Christian or not you can benefit from the message in the story. Just because there's a possibility that it's false means it doesn't have a lesson? Come on, there is plenty of fiction out there that has a wonderful message! I think those of you that think it's a hogwash fable, are probably right. But what is the MESSAGE? What positive thing can you get out of it? Look for the good in stuff...

    Andi

  • borgfree
    borgfree

    I appreciate your comments Detective, Double Edge, and Billygoat.

    Billygoat, Thats the way I see it. So many of these storys are going around, I don't know if any of them are true or not, but I got something out of this one, and thought others might also.

    What this story made me think about, was not how the homeless man (by choice) heard from God, whether vocally or just the urging inside him, or whether or not he sold the bibles ( I thought he was giving them away) but rather, that I have made it a practice in my life, to judge people by appearances.

    We never know what kind of person is behind the image of a "bum" it could be a very interesting and unusual story.

    I have met many people (yes, ex-jws) who would do just what the person in the story did, giving time and even money, to a total stranger in need. I know of at least one on this forum. (wasn't referring to me)

    Borgfree

    "You can complain because roses have thorns, or you can rejoice because thorns have roses." -Ziggy
  • detective
    detective

    Double Edge,
    I don't think it's a particularly negative thing at all to be unmoved by this type of story. It's a little too touchedbyanangelhallmarkhalloffame sentimental for me. I like my heroes flawed, I like my stories to be gritty and I like being left to chew on something other than the PAXnetwork version of palatable reality.
    Don't get me wrong- I will sometimes surprise myself by getting misty-eyed over some pretty awful pap. It's not as if I don't understand where this story is going.- don't judge a book by it's cover, listen to god, reach out to others, admire noble people because they come in "strange" packages....and so forth.

    It just doesn't move me. Not a whit.

    You know what would make this story more interesting to me? I want to know about how bad this man smells, how his teeth are rotting out and how it's difficult to even sit near him, let alone hug him. He's homeless, darn it! His skins probably bad, his teeth pretty well a lost cause and he's more than likely hygenically challenged. And you know what? And he sounds like he might be a little bit crazy. too. Now, if our narrator thought so- that'd be interesting.
    If he weren't a carebear version of a homeless guy, I might be moved! Heck, I'd like it if he were downright ornery to boot.

    Let's throw in some irony... howsabout guy who took extended lunch loses his job due to his slacking off? Now his faith is really tested. Here he was being a good guy and he loses his job? Or, what if the homeless man stole his wallet- now that'd be interesting! Still predictable, mind you, but heading in the right direction as far as twists go.
    Maybe the homeless man gets hit by a truck and dies. Several years later our narrator passes the very same homeless man in another city- give it sort of urban legend twist. That'd be interesting (though equally predictable).

    The problem I have with the story is that it's easy. It's very tidy and life isn't that tidy. At least, not usually. And if it were, it really wouldn't be that interesting, would it? I don't like my epiphanies pre-packaged.

    There's nothing inherently wrong with the story, it just doesn't speak to me. And I have no problem with it speaking to someone else. Like I said, I've choked up over some pretty cheesy stuff in my day so I really ought not be casting any stones in that area.

    If it works for you, then great! It's not my personal taste, but I do appreciate Borgfree's offering it up. And I can always use a reminder to be compassionate.

  • dedalus
    dedalus

    Yeah! What Detective said!

    Billygoat wrote:

    But what is the MESSAGE?
    Yeah, what is it? People leaving bibles all over the place are the ones who've got life really figured out? These people are doing the most spiritual good? Seriously, who is this bum helping? Isn't it that he's helping himself?

    Or is the message that all of our good impulses come from God? That if we're spiritual we'll hear tinny little voices in our heads? Or that you're not really deep unless you shed a tear at someone else's idiot delusions?

    But the real message is certainly a Christian one, isn't it? I mean, this guy isn't leaving copies of the Qur'an around is he? Or The Book of Mormon? Or Kurt vonnegut? (ha-ha)

    The real message is that there's an "us versus them" mentality still going on, and the "us" are good, Bible-fearing folk, and the "them" are people like me, for whom spirituality is deeply private and not something you litter the countryside with.

    Dedalus

  • borgfree
    borgfree

    The message is definately a Christian one, the man on the street was a Christian, he was passing out bibles, but I think more importantly is the real Christian message.

    Jesus Christ said He was giving a new command "that we love each other" who can argue with that message? The example Jesus set was always good. I don't think it is at all limited to Christians. Christians should take the lead in showing love and kindness to everyone, that is the New Testament message.

    True Christianity would fit both of the men in this story. One chose to live a very simple life of working for food and necessities while distributing bibles because he was convinced that was the best way he could help people. The other man was conscience stricken and chose to offer a little help to someone in need.

    How can that be "us vs them"? I don't think any Christian would see this story as an "us vs them" story. If everyone in the world followed the example of these two men, would the world be better or worse? If that means following a Christian way of life, whats wrong with that?

    Borgfree

    "You can complain because roses have thorns, or you can rejoice because thorns have roses." -Ziggy

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