New awake up on jw.org about suicide (page 2)

Pistoff

I can't wait for this article.

It is sure to include advice that will work just fine for people who are not suicidal.

steve2---you are absolutely right. Thats how I saw it for over 30 years.....then I got the guts to break free....really: "Free at last, free at last. Thank God Almighty, free at last". (Great quote MLK)......I have since risen each day without the thought "I wonder if today will be the day I make my last"; what a blessed relief.

To all who are suffering depression and may have run the gamut of drugs and counseling only to find nothing works: take the big step of dumpng JW's with all their duplicitous lies and deceptions, un-Bublical demands, guilt that you never have done and never will do enough, and all the other mind boggling drivel that tears your mind from your heart. Becuase until your mind and heart agree and are happy, your depression will continue. And it will get worse until you are ready to end it all because death seems like such a blessed release compared to going on as a zombie Jehovah's Witness without an authentic thought or feeling in your mind or heart.

Captain Obvious

I'm curious... Has the teaching that suicide ensures that the person has no chance of being resurrected? I' curious if anything has been printed

LisaRose

The JW belief system is not healthy, there is such a disconnect between what you are told is true and what actually is true. You are told that you are one of Jehovah's happy people, that happiness will be yours if you just study more, pray more and do more in field service. The reality is that life as a JW is not easy, that love in the congregations is hit or miss, that knocking on the doors of empty homes is not that fulfilling. You are told to sacrifice personal pursuits, education and career ambitions because the end is so close.

If you fail in these areas you are considered weak and a failure. If you commit a sin in the eyes of the elders, you will be disfellowshipped and cut off from family and friends. Depression happens to every group of people, but it is so much worse as a JW. Some may be concerned at first, but that soon evaporates, no one has time to help each other, they have to make their hours, make the meetings, and take care of their own families. Some elders may be concerned, but none have training in mental health. A religion that has such black or white thinking is dangerous to a person who suffers from depression.

Finkelstein

Unfortunately the WTS. sees people in great emotional distress as possible clients.

The don't usual suggest professional help .

Will the WTS. Corporation ever admit to the many and numerous suicides caused indirectly by their bogus

doctrines (1975) or shunning policies directed to ones who were associated with their organization ?

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For some reason that kind of openness and honesty is never seen in god's chosen earthly organization.

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Fact = the WTS/JWs has caused and influenced thousands of suicides since its inception as a religious institution.

kaik

Suicide is actually common in various cultures as it gives people a dignity to die instead living hooked up on machine. Suicide was always high in Central and Eastern Europe among Germanic, Hungarian, and Slavic people. I also suicide can be caused by underlaying medical condition, medication, mental illness, and depression. JW and many Christian denomination fails to see it as a medical condition, but do not have issue to condemn people who commit or attempted it as sinners.

UBM101

It's all about recruiting!

WTWizard

What about not adding to the mess? Their solution is to not give a fxxx about anything or anyone except joke-hova and the organization. Then they print glowing reports about crap that is going on within the organization as if "their" problems are gone. More field circus. More boasting sessions. More throwing things away. More pious-sneering. More poverty and stagnation. As if those are going to fix things--they cause problems and make existing ones worse.

Then there are tons of rules. You should only see the opposite sex as potential recruits? Dating is regulated out of existence. And then they distract you. What the fxxx does that ugly monstrosity at 90 Sands Street have to do with my personal fulfillment? Nothing. Yet, my "happiness" is to be based on how many stories are added to that ugly building. As if all the universe was focused only on that--a 43 story building in a city where 110 stories is better known. Another 10 stories added--I would gladly have traded away the whole project to have the opposite sex in my life in lieu of having it built, even if the options were to have it built 550 stories in perfect condition in 5 minutes but not having the opposite sex or having it not started at all and having the opposite sex in full. I didn't need that distraction--how would they like having serious money issues and having me gloat about my silver stash and not donating anything to them?

Not only does the washtowel not even abide by its own principles. Not only do they make extra rules that strip anything fulfilling (from dating, to holidays, to work, to money, to free time). But, their book is full of crap. The LIE-ble itself is full of rubbish intended to strip the fun out of living. And both testaments are guilty, not just the Jewish old testament. They both tie in. Paul was homophobic--and sexophobic. It was Paul that wrote much of the smut that fornication is absolutely banned. It was Paul that encouraged women to take second class status. It was Paul that denounced running from slavery. It would have been bad enough had it been limited to the Old Testament, or had it been Tyrant David or Moses writing most of this smut--but it was forwarded into Christi-SCAM-ity. Even some of Jesus' own teachings promote giving all of one's money to help "the poor". Even Jesus advocated seeking that kingdumb and letting the cards fall where they may--usually to destitution.

Thus, studying the LIE-ble, and littera-trash that buffs the severity of its message, as a promised suicide cure is counterproductive. You take people that are already down (and would be, washtowel or none) and add this rubbish to make it even worse. Then the victim finds the religion totally dominating, losing all personality, and ending up even worse off.

Notmyfirstrodeo

About 30 years ago I lost my next oldest brother to suicide - our Mom raised us all in the truth. He was 30 and I was 31, both of us married, and my brother was a ministerial servant. I never got grief counselling, cause like I guess I was supposed to just be praying. About a year later, now also having trouble in my marriage, the elders came for a home visit, and as they were leaving, PLUNKED down some copied pages regarding mental health problems and the Mayo Clinic (If i remember right) - I had my 1st nervous breakdown that night. I mean they just PLUNKED it down on the table and LEFT......So 15 years ago I got d'fd for the 2nd time in my life and would not come back. Now almost a year ago my youngest brother has committed suicide. He "fell away" when he was in his 20's, before marrying - a "wordly" person. So one of the straws that could have broken him, was that he had started living with a woman, and our Mom (who is a JW) said she would have to shun him if he continued to live with this woman. But she was well aware that he celebrated all the "pagan" holidays and she said that becuase the elders didn't "deal" with him about all this, then she was okay with this, but he wasn't associated with the congregation before he died, so why would the elders "deal" with this!!! To honour my youngest brother, I now quote him "THIS is the most FXXXX'd up religion going!!!!"

I've just started going to A.A. because of my youngest bro's suicide I was going deeper and deeper into complicated grief and alcohol was helping the spion down. So with A.A. one of the 12 steps is to believe in a "higher power" and with having been a JW for 36 years, and I live with a c-i-l with someone whose trying to get a divorce from his 2nd wife, I feel pretty bad about thinking I can pray to Jehovah. After reading alot of things on this site, I'm thinking I should re-examine just what kind of god Jehovah is - We're doing all we can to get this divorce to go through, and we are living a decent life, will the Creator here my prayers?

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Older Watchtower statements on suicide have suggested the victims may not get a resurrection, believe it or not. I remember reading an article on it. The subject has been explored in depth on this forum in the past, use the Search facility.

More recent doctrine has softened on it, simply saying we cannot judge whether the person will get a resurrection or not, and thats as far as they go. References are made to Judas hanging himself, etc. This rather disgustingly leaves the victim's grieving family and loved ones wondering if perhaps the person has committed some sort of unforgiveable sin.

We know that suicide is the result of mental illness/unbalance (most often), but scripturally it is a sin. Romans 6:23 is very clear that the wages of sin is death, so a suicide victim pays for ALL sins, including taking their own life, upon death. There is no reason to categorise a suicide victim's chances of resurrection any differently than anyone else that will benefit from a resurrection, scripturally speaking. Shame on the Watchtower Society for not acknowledging this.

I had a very close ex-JW friend who committed suicide many years ago, and later a cousin. I was never so grief stricken and tearful in my life.

New awake up on jw.org about suicide