by yadda yadda 2 59 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
You cant change the story telling of ancient mythology it was the ancients to tell, they are the authors.
But as one can see those stories can be openly marketed as complacent fact to the naive and ignorant
creating both power and wealth for these people.
D.D you seem to be saying the perfect angels rebellion was as a result of his ' naughty thoughts ' , before mans creation ? This is getting whackier and whackier Can I ask you yes or no do you really believe that??. And there's still the question of where was this perfect angel / being getting his naughty thoughts fromm remember no choice without a selection. !!
People love conspiracies, the great conspiracy between god and satan is a source of endless discussions in the name of religion.
If what could happen as you suggest actually did happen, there would be no religion - and really, what fun would that be????
DD: Some scholars also believe that the "serpent" was not a literal snake, but a serpentine creature
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or, perhaps it was a noodly appendage. That's what the Pastafarians believe.
John Lennon: Imagine.....No religion too. Cometh the day!!!
Galaxie,
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For the record, I approach most of these discussions from the perspective of " If the Bible is true, then...." I don't necessarily believe anything that I post. I do, however, try to point out the watchtarded nature of the WTBTS's dogma.
As you say, there are many assumptions. If Satan knew what evil was then it had to exist before he did, and he had to be taught what it was. Therefore, GOD must have knowlege of evil. You can't teach what you don't know. On the other hand, if Satan originated evil, there is no record of WHEN he first became evil. Unless you assume that the Genesis account is true, and that Satan's tempting of Eve was Satan's original sin. Either way, God would be ultimately responsible because he either taught his creation what evil was, or allowed them to carry it out once they invented it without intervening. Then again, perhaps he has intervened and we are just waiting, dealing with life as it is.
DD
D D. Wasn't the original sin supposed to be Adams,hence the need for ransom ie Jesus if the original sin goes back to the creator did he come to earth to forgive himself.I'm beginning to feel sorry for Satan/ snake and Adam/ eve. I haven't established if you are a. Theist or not although you make it clear you are anti J.W.
Look at the very first book of the Bible and we see that Jehovah has always been a barbaric God. He only accepted "blood" sacrifices from the beginning. Why? Does he like just like see blood flow? If he is almighty he could just cause the wicked to vanish...no blood and guts, no clean up. Makes me sick to think of how many bloody animal sacrifices the Israelites offered and how many of their enemies they were forced to slaughter in barbaric fashion.
It's a bloody shame!
Just saying!
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Galaxie,
If the WTBTS is correct then Eve's sin was the first human sin, with Adam following suit. The WTBTS says that since Adam was the " spiritual head" of Eve, he could have said, "NO!!", to the forbidden fruit. Then God could have disintergrated Eve and made Adam a new wife, and things would have went another direction. I assume in that alternate timeline, Satan is destroyed by God. The "universal sovreignty" issue was only an issue because Adam sided with Eve when she tempted him. Adam loved Eve more than God according to the WTBTS. Wow. According to the WTBTS, the fate of man seemed to be in the hands of man. It seems that humans are expected to take on a lot of responsibility...
If the WTBTS is right about Satan turning evil, then his/her/it's "original sin" would be the exact moment of rebellion, whenever that happened to be. So we actually have 2 original sins! One for Satan and one for humans.
Also, I am anti-WTBTS/GB/FDS/Organized religion. There are many individual JWs that I like. What am I? I am just accumulating information. I am an INTJ type who reads about anything from aliens to zoology. I am just what I am.
DD
Well Data if the W.T is right about Satan, turning evil and origional sin, the explanation still lucks credibility. Why? Because the organisation has been wrong so often and had so many doctrinal changes thet they have simply lost credibility...that is why like you i enjoy accummilating information but i think it all ends in a cul-de- sac, and i wont ever believe any creation account because if a creator cant do a better job of explaining the matter then it has to be bunk.
