What If the Soul Sleeping Doctrine is False?

by Cold Steel 29 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Cold Steel
    Cold Steel

    When God breathed life into Adam, Adam became a living soul. Moments before he had been only a concept...an idea; a lump of clay if you’re a literalist. Now he was a complex living and breathing being. A son of God. At least that’s how the Jehovah’s Witnesses see it.

    In school, one of my courses was Christian eschatology in light of newly discovered papyri. We covered the whole soul sleeping doctrine as taught by William Miller, Ellen G. White and Charles T. Russell. Far from being an ancient Greek heresy, as the Adventists claim, there was a solid belief amongst ancient Hebrew and Christian leaders that man not only had an immortal soul, but many early Jewish and Christian writers believed that man’s immortality goes in both directions, into the present and future, but also into the past. One scholar writes:

    Christ's premortal existence, however different Christians interpret this concept, is well attested in the New Testament.8 The concept of individual premortal existence of humans is not clearly attested in texts in the biblical tradition until the last few centuries BC on into the early Christian centuries. Examples found in some early Jewish and Christian documents include:

    As a child I was naturally gifted, and a good soul fell to my lot; or rather, being good, I entered an undefiled body. (Wisdom of Solomon 8:19–20)9

    But he [God] did design and devise me [Moses], who (was) prepared from the beginning of the world, to be the mediator of his covenant. (Testament of Moses 1:14)10

    Enoch was instructed that "all the souls are prepared for eternity, before the composition of the earth." (2 Enoch 23:5; see further 1 Enoch 48:2–3)11

    Such attestations of this concept in early Jewish and Christian texts are regularly cited as dependent on Greek influence, especially Platonic thought. For example, "the Platonic view of the soul as pre-existent seems to be reflected here [in Wisdom of Solomon 8:19–20], but unlike Plato's view, there is union with an undefiled body."12

    8. See ... Douglas McCready, He Came Down from Heaven: The Preexistence of Christ and the Christian Faith (Downers Grove, IL: InterVarsity, 2005).

    9. NRSV Apocrypha, as found in The New Oxford Annotated Bible with Apocryphal/Deuterocanonical Books, ed. Bruce M. Metzger and Roland E. Murphy (New York: Oxford, 1994), AP 68.

    10. As found in James H. Charlesworth, ed., The Old Testament Pseudepigrapha (New York: Doubleday, 1983, 1985), 1:927; hereafter abbreviated OTP.

    11. As found in OTP, 1:140.

    12. Note on Wisdom of Solomon 8:19–20, in New Annotated Oxford Bible, AP 68, emphasis in the original.

    If other Christians are correct in their scriptural exegeses, and if you’re a Jehovah’s Witness, what would your reaction be to die and suddenly find that you were still alive and conscious? What do you think most Jehovah’s Witnesses would do? In the stories I’ve read, a person dies, then finds themselves in Paradise (if righteous), feeling intense peace and well being. They also frequently see their own bodies, either on the floor or in a bed or stretcher.

    So if this happened, how do you think most Jehovah’s Witnesses would react, seeing that this, one of their premier doctrines, was false? How would you react? Would most Jehovah’s Witnesses despair or would they continue to maintain their beliefs in the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society?

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  • AndDontCallMeShirley
    AndDontCallMeShirley

    So if this happened, how do you think most Jehovah’s Witnesses would react, seeing that this, one of their premier doctrines, was false? How would you react? Would most Jehovah’s Witnesses despair or would they continue to maintain their beliefs in the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society?

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    isn't this really the burden on any religion? They all make claims but can offer no real proof/evidence to substantiate those beliefs. Who cares whether there's a soul or not? No religion can prove it either way, rendering it a moot argument. We may as well sit here and debate the existence of the Tooth Fairy....it is equally as pointless.

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    Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

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    Christopher Hitchens said; "That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence".

  • Faithful Witness
    Faithful Witness

    If a JW does remain awake after death, he is not going to be in heaven. They have denied Christ and his message.

    If they DID for some reason come awake after their physical death, they would probably start looking for their book bag.

    They would need to check their literature, and see what they believe about what they are experiencing.

  • Cold Steel
    Cold Steel

    Christopher Hitchens said: "That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence."

    At one time, no one believed in germs; and when they couldn't deny it, they argued they were far too small to harm the human body. People were booted out of the medical profession for requiring their hospital staff to wash their hands! Much of astrophysics today is founded on a belief in dark matter, though evidence that it exists is sadly lacking. The same thing used to be true of black holes. Even though they were theoretically possible, Stephen Hawking said years ago, he doubted whether any would be found. Before the ink was dry, however, astronomers had begun to find them; not that they actually saw them, but they were able to prove they existed and determine where they were. Now we know they're all over the place.

    To say there is no evidence of God, or a Creator, is a pretty huge leap. And the more we learn, the more we realize we don't know. The complexity of genetic codes, order and beauty of the universe, the witnesses throughout time, many of the prophets have stated that all things denote there is a God. I've found that many of the near death experiences I've read to be very compelling, regardless of their religious and cultural backgrounds. But as many have pointed out, if atheists are correct, we'll never know it; however, if religionists are right, we all know there's a God after about two minutes.

    Jehovah's Witnesses are sure that when they die, they will find themselves coming to in the future. They're not exactly sure what they'll see or experience, but I suspect most will believe it will be right at the onset of the battle of Armageddon. But they'll be conscious and aware of their own existence and, good or evil, will have a full recollection of their memories. The scriptures say that all men will be resurrected, male and female. The JWs add to that doctrine that the evil ones will be resurrected, judged and destroyed, all *POOF*.

  • cofty
    cofty

    The complexity of genetic codes, order and beauty of the universe...denote there is a God.

    Superstitious tosh.

  • cantleave
    cantleave

    The logic of the ignorant!

  • designs
    designs

    What if christians wake up in heaven and everyones left.

  • Crazyguy
    Crazyguy

    According to the scriptures the soul was asleep at least until christ died, after that Paul still talked about waiting but maybe after the conclusion of the jewish system of things the soul now does go somewhere. Rev. chapter 5 the angels tells the dead ones that they would have to wait a while longer because more would be added to them, but again maybe Revelations or some of it was fulfilled at the end of the Jewish system?

  • Qcmbr
    Qcmbr

    Pretty much the same way that mormons react when they are confronted by evidence that contradicts their core belief. Most ignore, some argue and a few start the divorce procedings. How do you react Cold Steel when we show you Mormon lies, logic errors , immorality and proof of the fraudulent nature of the Book of Mormon?

  • cofty
    cofty

    He sticks his fingers in his ears, sings lalalalala, and types lots of text that includes the oxymoron "mormon scholars...".

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