I think that it was the serpent of Adam that was talking to Eve... but she took the apple instead :S
Any explanation from the WT as to why Adam and Eve did not have sex before they sinned? (and other Genesis stumpers)
by BU2B 65 Replies latest watchtower bible
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BU2B
Thanks for the quote Blondie.. Amazing how much of a non answer that was. They just say that its none of our business and only Adam and Eves affair lol.
Also sickening was this part- They being perfect, their intercourse together sexually would be for the purpose of reproducing the human kind.
What an assumption! Repressed Franz or whoever just KNOW that perfect people would NEVER have sex for the emotional closeness or pleasure it provides.. They imply that desiring and enjoying sex is a flaw apparently..
Punkofnice- Thanks for the Rush song :) I love those guys. Here is a personal favorite of mine right now that I know you would enjoy.
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Elijehovah
First of all sex by perfect humans does not mean pregnancy. Secondly, the human body is designed to kill germs inside us. This means that it has a defence system to rid intruders and even cancer cells. It doesnt mean cancer never forms; it means it is killed off. So too miscarriage is by design to prevent error in physical growth. A functioning body rids dysfunctional pregnancy. People imagine prefection instead of accepting that which is really perfect. Killing perfect jesus is the proof that they define perfect as different than Jesus was. Animqals have miscarriages too; it is not from man's sin. A dumb JW wife once said to me nothing in trees was poisonous until the two sinned.
Next, the open eyes means Adam was open to realize that other people like his wife are not required to obey everything a person tells them. Because she erred by taking a risk that Adam had warned her not to take (probably crab apples because the seeds without the bulk of apple fruit are easier to become overdosed by its cyanide; and no it was not the seeds or blood color of the pomegranate). BUT upon a person, or mother to his children choosing to say I disagree with your father, Adam's eyes were opened to the fact that the children could choose which person to believe, Father Adam or Mother Eve on every matter. The sin that began was her graduating to a state of mind that says i no longer take what you have learned into consideration without going to find out all by myself. So she dumped her teacher. And Adam sinned by saying his whole life, what will i do with this woman (even jesus had to say that about mother Mary wailing the wine was gone, so how dare jesus ever move out and leave widow Mary alone). Adam's decision was do nothing about her, so quit learning anything. The kids will listen to mom's way instead. The fact is clear that Cain as firstborn was like his father as firstborn, and that Eve saw wisdom and learning in Abel (he is NOT the 2nd son, he is the killed son, and Seth is not the 3rd son, he is the wise one growing up like Abel, becoming father of Enoch and later Noah). The story has nothing to do with order of birth. In fact this is why Rebecca was right about Jacob, and Isaac did not curse her for dressing him like Esau. The matter of Esau selling the birthright apparently was secret until Rebecca told Isaac after jacob was blessed. So this is very much like Eve favoring Abel whether due to her thinking Cain dominated him as older brother the way Adam dominated Eve saying obey this time. The point is Adam heads to death at 930 and he doesnt know why nor how to stop it. The fact is the how and why is he ignored that angels make flesh the easy way, carbon from nitrogen air and thus daily pump C-14 into out air where we ingest it into our DNA for the first 20 to 30 years of life. Thus thousands of years potential was reduced to the 900s, and when C-14 doubled on 2369bc January 6 it cut Noah's grandson in half (438 years) from the vegetation he ate his first 20 years to 2348bc. And Peleg's 20 years of 2269-2249bc had double the C-14 vegetation that Arpaxad had. I sent a letter to the WT in February 1985 disclosing that C-14 is purgable by diet and that the oldest survivors must start now or they will age after Armageddon and die like 600,000 who did not go into Canaan because they too died from listening to 10 men, not Moses.
Noah is guilty too. The Gilgamesh poem of 2040bc when Noah hits 930 and is then called Man (Man Nu is Manu) is about Noah not knowing the answer of why Peleg and other 5th generations at 230 are so old they will die. Cant walk, have disease, all the things of dying old people. Noah has only one answer and he says stay awake so you find the answer. Find that tree of life. GIlgamesh says to Noah that he wants to be like NOah and never die. Noah says i will die, and Gilgamesh says no you won't. Noah teaches Gilgamesh, but Gilgamesh keeps sleeping. Noah and his facts are all boring to Gilgamesh, just as I bore you by telling you these things. So Gilgamesh gets back to Ereck and he says he found the tree but the serpent stole it. Does this sound like many who post here?
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Comatose
wat???
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Elijehovah
Amazing you can read that in 3 minutes
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Comatose
Amazing that you typed that, at all. wow...
Thus thousands of years potential was reduced to the 900s, and when C-14 doubled on 2369bc January 6 it cut Noah's grandson in half (438 years) from the vegetation he ate his first 20 years to 2348bc. And Peleg's 20 years of 2269-2249bc had double the C-14 vegetation that Arpaxad had. I sent a letter to the WT in February 1985 disclosing that C-14 is purgable by diet and that the oldest survivors must start now or they will age after Armageddon and die like 600,000 who did not go into Canaan because they too died from listening to 10 men, not Moses.
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Elijehovah
Sabbath Day Saturday. Did you know that the Egyptian new year for Moses in 1514bc was March 10 (Persian Pamenot 1) and that during the Thoth plague that Pharaoh declared the New Year as Thoth 1 (Saturday September 6) to no longer be the 7th month. This meant the 5 days added after 360 days would not be used in March but would be placed in August of 1513bc. Thoth would stay the same in this leap year 1513bc and thus be our Sunday September 5. The first of a new 7-day cycle created by Moses. This means in the 365-day calendar that Thoth would be Sunday every 7 years. If one calculated this you would have Thoth of Hamurabi;s ascension in 1793bc, you would have Thoth Sunday in 1842bc when 16-year old Esau sold his birthright, you would have Thoth Sunday in 1919bc before Sodom was destroyed in 1918bc on July 18. Thoth Sunday 2030bc Jan 13 the year the 365-day calendar was inaugurated with Year 340 on July 17. Thoth Sunday 2170bc Feb 17 before the Great Pyramid foundation that year. Thoth Sunday 2177bc Feb 19 for the year Nahor was born. Thoth Sunday 2240bc March 6 before Babel's Marduk foundation on Nov 18. And the last postFlood significant Thoth Sunday as 2303bc March 22 as the year Eber was born to father Shelah the Chaldean (Cainan The fallen Son) who fathered Peleg in 2269bc. In Assyria a 7-year cycle can be claimed as 600 years earlier presuming a 2968bc Arpaxad grandson of Noah 2 years after Flood 2970bc, And because it is 1722 years (246x 7 years) to 2303bc it can also be wrongly presumed that 4025bc was a Thoth Sunday presuming Adam created Saturday before sunset, goes to sleep and awakes Thoth Sunday. This cannot be done since years before the Flood were 360-day, and also because (despite others defying this because they will claim 1656 is 23 of 72 years of 365-day, which would be 23 of 73 years of 360-day, and so we have one false Hindu doctrine of 1656 Julian years as 1680 years of 360-day, versus 1656 egyptian years = to 1679 of 360-day. The point is that extending before the Flood disrupts the 7-year cycle by those who calculate it versus those who just say it is 1722 years from 4025bc Adam to 2303bc Thoth Sunday.
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BU2B
Looks like we have another Lars among us.. Lars is that you under a different name and avatar??
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Elijehovah
Avatar? Elijah in the flesh from heaven? That's like Christ king Cyrus who returned 365 leap days after Noah's death (40-day seance of Xisuthros the spirit, Christos the spirit) from either Greek 2021bc December 25 to 561bc Dec 25, or Persian Zoroaster 2020bc Thoth 24 (Feb 2) to 560bc Feb 2 making Cyrus the return of Avatar Noah from heaven. I know what an aqvatar is, and i am not Lars. I assure you I am offended since i have seen Lars in Google alt.Jehovahs-witnesses
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Elijehovah
well your amazed... that Adams potential 1000s was reduced to 930 by the carbon-14 that angels put in our atmosphere by living here during his life for 540 years since his year 390. So he consumed this C-14 from angels for 540 years and it aged him. His sin was not to notice that, because his wife Eve might disagree. But Enoch noticed, and Enoch cursed Alulim at the city of Larsa because the first king Alulim was passing his kingship to Kichunna and Enoch condemned it so that Alulim struck him with anti-matter protons and positrons (antimatter electrons) to dematerialize Enoch alive into thin air in the name of God, killing him as a rebel to God, as they did to Jesus. But where are these angels now. This is why the angels must be bound before Jehovah puts the water canopy back up with the asteroid impact this year. You scholars can argue whether 400 years are four generations in Egypt or not based on Jacob to Moses or as 100 years per generation for people who live 175 like Abram whose son was at 100. BUT year 100 is here, and i await no WT to announce an asteroid. I await Obama to, and then all you people will have your own answers as to why, and how, and what to do.