What are you doing on Valentine's? I was invited to a party... er... a JC (page 3)

ILoveTTATT

I have asked my dad what he was going to do... And I reminded him that originally, I was freaked out by the fact that the JW's had changed the Bible, and that I am being judged for trying to defend it!!

I asked him what he was going to do afterwards, and he just said he was going to reduce his communication with me, and that he wanted me to not talk to him about religion. I asked him if he had allowed himself to be indoctrinated again. I sensed that it was probably a matter of the UN attacking the Vatican. I asked him and he said, yes. I then told him, well the JW's are no different. The report could have just as well been a condemnation of JW's... For doing exactly the same things... Hiding evidence, moving the elders...

I also asked him to review JW predictions. I told him about 1975, about 1986 (year of peace), 1991(?) when the Berlin wall fell. I asked him how many times he would allow himself to be lied to? What about when 2015, 2016, 20.... 2024 comes and nothing has happened?

I think it has worked... A bit..

Now, I just need something to tell my mom. Do I ask straight up what she would do if I am df'd?

LostGeneration

Well before you go blowing things up you should find out exactly how Mom is going to treat you if you are DFd. It sounds like that is the only relationship that may be in real danger if you are outed. So yes, find out how she is going to treat you. But remember it may not be honest, depending on if you are talking to cult mom or authentic mom. Try to know which personality you are talking to when you drop the bomb. And try to ask a few times over a few days to see if the answer is different.

Is Mom going to testify against you? What about the other girl? Sounds like the elders are rushing to judgement before doing a proper investigation. Ask them for a "witness list" before you agree to meet with them, that will probably throw them off their game for a few days at least.

Crazyguy

DA yourself that way you can throw thier website in there faces about not talking to former witnesses and this may actually help your parents to stay talking to you.

ILoveTTATT

Thans about the suggestion!! I actually spoke about that to my dad and he agreed that they lie outright in their FAQ!!

DesirousOfChange

If there is only this one girl and your mother as witnesses, then I think you have a strong chance of denying everything.

1) Tell them you were only explaining why the Society uses MANY Bible translations. Sure there are differences from translation to translation. What is apostate about that? FORCE THEM to drag her ass into the meeting and face you face-to-face. She won't be so strong about her accusations then.

2) Tell them you just have doubts.....questions..... If you can't go to your own MOTHER about a question, who are you to ask? The elders? Look at the f***ing firestorm that's caused. Simplify your doubts/question to one of two simple things. How do they deal with all these changes and not feel LIED to by the F&DS/GB. (Do they think an apostate could ever infiltrate the GB? When they say NO, then remind them of Ray Franz. Could someone have "turned" again?) Then, let the alpha male elder explain it to you. Nod your head and say UH-HUH, thanks so much.....feel SO much better.....wait on Jehovah......trust His Organization......la dee da....la dee da. And move on and let it go.

Of course, if you want to leave, then just leave and tell them to F**k Off.

Doc

ILoveTTATT

I just want to leave! What will trying to stay accomplish, anyways? Coming back to be witch-hunted? To come back to nonsense? I find it hard to stomach reading a WT, let alone going back to meetings and serve-us.

Even if I come back, my mom will shun me. It would only be a matter of time before I wouldn't be able to handle it again and tell her something she does not want to hear. Rinse, repeat.

I want to leave, get the hell out of the cult... And try to make as many of my friends possible aware of ttatt.

It saddens me to see my family trapped in the mind-controlling cult, but freedom from the cult has a high price tag.

I will still have communication with dad, so I am happy about that. Hopefully Hassan can help me, and we can make a team for an intervention.

If that still does not work, I will have "fought the fine fight".

Aunt Fancy

Hang in there! If it were me I would not attend a JC and just walk away with your head held high. They only have control over you if you give it to them. I know it is so important to you to get your parents out and I think you are doing such a loving thing by contacting Steve Hassen to see if he can help you. I really hope it works.

I doubt your parents are as old as my husband and I are but they still have plenty of time to get out and start their life over. We are 58 & 60 and we started our exit 19 months ago. It isn't easy but it is so much better then living a lie and it taking such a huge toll of my health. Our lives have changed for better and we are doing new and exciting things now.

Let us know what happens and I hope it goes well. You have a lot of courage and keep up the good work you are doing.

snakeface

I don't know your situaton, but keep in mind that you no longer need to obey them. If they invite you to something, you do not even owe them an answer. Think of it this way. Suppose you quit your job and go to another company. The old boss sends you a letter saying you need to be at a meeting or some kind of "exit interview". You do not owe him a response at all because he is no longer your boss.

Phizzy

Good luck. Let us know how the J.C goes.

lrkr

If you dont want to get DF'd- just talk about how you have honest questions that need answers and your're looking for help. Dont be aggressive.

If you choose the other path- go have a nice Valentines day dinner with someone you love and forget about the mind control cult.

What are you doing on Valentine's? I was invited to a party... er... a JC

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