JW. org: "No, we are not a cult. We do not look to any human as our leader."

by Faithful Witness 49 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • LisaRose
    LisaRose

    I do not know of any cult that admits in public that they are in fact, a cult. The Watchtower uses the term "some say XYZ is a sign of a cult" then they get to pick what signs they think they can explain away as not applying to them. Actually they can't, but I would also like to see them explain how they don't claim to be the only route to salvation, or claim they have special knowledge, or control people's time, or don't allow criticism, etc. that are all signs of a cult that they fit to a T.

    Well it works for them since the average JW buys it, they never think to look up what are the real signs of a cult.

  • Muddy Waters
    Muddy Waters

    Excellent info here.

    Finkelstein, part of your post said:

    "Children often become the most hurt because of strict rules enforced on them. They lose their childhood and are deeply affected, being unable to adjust later on in life. Religious systems that are not balanced can be socially and psychologically disastrous for innocent children."

    The greatest pain I have from being in that f*cking cult is that I put my children through it, raised them in it. :(

    Thank goodness they never accepted it when they became teenagers, but they are still hurt and damaged by their upbringing.

  • Finkelstein
    Finkelstein

    The Bite Model ...... see if you can spot any particulars with the JW organization.

    Behavior Control

    1. Regulate individual’s physical reality 2. Dictate where, how, and with whom the member lives and associates or isolates 3. When, how and with whom the member has sex 4. Control types of clothing and hairstyles 5. Regulate diet - food and drink, hunger and/or fasting 6. Manipulation and deprivation of sleep 7. Financial exploitation, manipulation or dependence 8. Restrict leisure, entertainment, vacation time 9. Major time spent with group indoctrination and rituals and/or self indoctrination including the Internet 10. Permission required for major decisions 11. Thoughts, feelings, and activities (of self and others) reported to superiors 12. Rewards and punishments used to modify behaviors, both positive and negative 13. Discourage individualism, encourage group-think 14. Impose rigid rules and regulations

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    Information Control

    1. Deception: a. Deliberately withhold information b. Distort information to make it more acceptable c. Systematically lie to the cult member
    2. Minimize or discourage access to non-cult sources of information, including: a. Internet, TV, radio, books, articles, newspapers, magazines, other media b.Critical information c. Former members d. Keep members busy so they don’t have time to think and investigate e. Control through cell phone with texting, calls, internet tracking
    3. Compartmentalize information into Outsider vs. Insider doctrines a. Ensure that information is not freely accessible b.Control information at different levels and missions within group c. Allow only leadership to decide who needs to know what and when
    4. Encourage spying on other members a. Impose a buddy system to monitor and control member b.Report deviant thoughts, feelings and actions to leadership c. Ensure that individual behavior is monitored by group
    5. Extensive use of cult-generated information and propaganda, including: a. Newsletters, magazines, journals, audiotapes, videotapes, YouTube, movies and other media b.Misquoting statements or using them out of context from non-cult sources
    6. Unethical use of confession a. Information about sins used to disrupt and/or dissolve identity boundaries b. Withholding forgiveness or absolution c. Manipulation of memory, possible false memories

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    Thought Control

    1. Require members to internalize the group’s doctrine as truth a. Adopting the group's ‘map of reality’ as reality b. Instill black and white thinking c. Decide between good vs. evil d. Organize people into us vs. them (insiders vs. outsiders)
    2.Change person’s name and identity
    3. Use of loaded language and clichés which constrict knowledge, stop critical thoughts and reduce complexities into platitudinous buzz words 4. Encourage only ‘good and proper’ thoughts 5. Hypnotic techniques are used to alter mental states, undermine critical thinking and even to age regress the member 6. Memories are manipulated and false memories are created 7. Teaching thought-stopping techniques which shut down reality testing by stopping negative thoughts and allowing only positive thoughts, including: a. Denial, rationalization, justification, wishful thinking b. Chanting c. Meditating d. Praying e. Speaking in tongues f. Singing or humming 8. Rejection of rational analysis, critical thinking, constructive criticism 9. Forbid critical questions about leader, doctrine, or policy allowed 10. Labeling alternative belief systems as illegitimate, evil, or not useful

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    Emotional Control

    1. Manipulate and narrow the range of feelings – some emotions and/or needs are deemed as evil, wrong or selfish 2. Teach emotion-stopping techniques to block feelings of homesickness, anger, doubt 3. Make the person feel that problems are always their own fault, never the leader’s or the group’s fault 4. Promote feelings of guilt or unworthiness, such as a. Identity guilt b. You are not living up to your potential c. Your family is deficient d. Your past is suspect e. Your affiliations are unwise f. Your thoughts, feelings, actions are irrelevant or selfish g. Social guilt h. Historical guilt 5. Instill fear, such as fear of: a. Thinking independently b. The outside world c. Enemies d. Losing one’s salvation e. Leaving or being shunned by the group f. Other’s disapproval
    6. Extremes of emotional highs and lows – love bombing and praise one moment and then declaring you are horrible sinner
    7. Ritualistic and sometimes public confession of sins
    8. Phobia indoctrination: inculcating irrational fears about leaving the group or questioning the leader’s authority a. No happiness or fulfillment possible outside of the group b. Terrible consequences if you leave: hell, demon possession, incurable diseases, accidents, suicide, insanity, 10,000 c. Shunning of those who leave; fear of being rejected by friends, peers, and family d. Never a legitimate reason to leave; those who leave are weak, undisciplined, unspiritual, worldly, brainwashed by family or counselor, or seduced by money, sex, or rock and roll e. Threats of harm to ex-member and family

  • smiddy
    smiddy

    Another classic example of the JW organization re-defining the meaning of a word. E.G. generation , need I say anymore ?

    The word cult has many definitions , and the JW`s choose a couple that dont apply to them , so they are not a cult in their veiw.

    The definitions they didn`t mention surely identify them as a cult. and they are guilty of the sin of ommission .

    Trolls and apologists ? do your own research and face up to the facts , truth should stand up to any scrutiny. I`m sorry , jehovahs witnesses cant handle the truth .

    smiddy

  • LoisLane looking for Superman
    LoisLane looking for Superman

    Faithful Witness...

    If I may say from me, being a born-in, to you, never baptized,

    Wow! You go Girl!

    That is one brilliant post!

    If only one person reads your post and understands what they have gotten themselves involved in and wakes up and leaves...

    We can only hope.

    LoisLane

  • Bruja-del-Sol
    Bruja-del-Sol

    Marked for later

  • Frazzled UBM
    Frazzled UBM

    'We are not a cult because we do not have a single human leader' - classic strawman argument. But it is totally impossible to get my wife to engage with an analysis of what consittutes a cult and whether the org is a cult because of the success of the 'question the moticves of the person to undermine the need to listen to what they have to say' tactic. Whatever I have to say is inspired by Satan and so can be immediatley discounted and ignored. Soooo frustrating!

  • Faithful Witness
    Faithful Witness

    Sorry for the delay. Here is the website where I found this list. It also has lists that were compiled by several other "cult experts." Steve Hassan's list is also on this site.

    http://www.prem-rawat-talk.org/forum/uploads/CultCharacteristics.htm#University%20of%20California%20at%20Berkeley

  • Faithful Witness
    Faithful Witness

    I think we all know that JWs really are not a cult... just ask them.

    I actually find jw. org an entertaining website. It is full of so many interesting links! The last JW that came to my door was delighted to tell me how I could go to the blessed website, and it will answer "ANY question I have about the Bible or about JWs!!" I nodded my head, but already knew better.

    My dad is gleeful when he talks about the wonderful new JW app on his iPhone. I have it on my iPad, and have seen its many uses, and many limitations. It's funny how every time I waste my precious time exploring it, I find more evidence about why one should never join this group. I am completely convinced we made the right decision when we walked away from the idea.

    I can only hope that someday, I can say something that will cause my father to open his eyes and start taking a look at what he is doing.

  • Jon Preston
    Jon Preston

    Where is Witness My Fury?!?! Ok well ill go ahead and quote him/her anyways

    "Let's review: IT'S A CULT!!! "

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