The more likely scenerio would be that the elders woud grill Mary to see if she had done something else that was causing her depression.
Mary, did you perhaps have sex with somene else and that is what is bringing on this bout of guilty depression?
WT Video on how to handle JWs contemplating suicide
by Oubliette 29 Replies latest watchtower medical
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frankiespeakin
Min,
I smell wrongful death lawsuits in the air.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrongful_death_claim
rongful death is a claim in common law jurisdictions against a person who can be held liable for a death. [1] The claim is brought in a civil action, usually by close relatives, as enumerated by statute. Under common law, a dead person cannot bring a suit, and this created a loophole in which activities that resulted in a person's injury would result in civil sanction but activities that resulted in a person's death would not.
The standard of proof in the United States is typically preponderance of the evidence as opposed to clear and convincing or beyond a reasonable doubt. In Australia and the United Kingdom, it is 'on the balance of probabilities'. [2] For this reason it is often easier for a family to seek retribution against someone who kills a family member through tort than a criminal prosecution. However, the two actions are not mutually exclusive; a person may be prosecuted criminally for causing a person's death (whether in the form of murder, manslaughter, criminally negligent homicide, or some other theory) and that person can also be sued civilly in a wrongful death action (as in the O. J. Simpson murder case). Wrongful death is also the only recourse available in the United States when a company, not an individual, causes the death of a person; [3] for example, historically, families have tried (both successfully and unsuccessfully) to sue tobacco companies for wrongful deaths of their customers.
In most common law jurisdictions, there was no common law right to recover civil damages for the wrongful death of a person. [4] Wrongful death actions were strictly statutory. [5] Some jurisdictions have recognized a common law right of recovery for wrongful death, [6] reasoning that “there is no present public policy against allowing recovery for wrongful death." [7] Jurisdictions that recognize the common law right to recovery for wrongful death have used the right to fill in gaps in statutes or to apply common law principles to decisions. [8] Many jurisdictions enacted statutes to create a right to such recovery. [9] The issue of liability will be determined by the tort law of a given state.
Each state has different laws regarding wrongful death claims. In most states, the statute of limitations (time limit to file a case) varies according to how the death occurred. For example, in Oregon, many wrongful death claims have a statute of three years - but there are many exceptions, including: when alcohol is involved, when a public body is involved, or in product liability claims. [10]
See the Fatal Accidents Act 1846 (Lord Campbell's Act) for the origin of wrongful death liability. [11]
To an extent, people can protect themselves from wrongful death lawsuits by having the participants sign a waiver. [12]
One of the most difficult wrongful death issues, and a particularly poignant illustration of how wrongful death expands liability beyond that at common law, is whether a wrongful death claim can be founded upon intentional infliction of emotional distress that caused the decedent to commit suicide. The first jurisdiction to allow such a claim was California in 1960, [13] followed by Mississippi, [14] New Hampshire, [15] and Wyoming. [16]
Most difficult but not impossible!
http://www.michaelsilvers.com/wrongful-death-cases/?gclid=CKDc4PL5zrwCFUiGfgodaRAA9A
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Badfish
I'm surprised they didn't instruct elders to Baker Act or 5150 the woman if she tells them she wants to kill herself in order to avoid lawsuits.
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OUTLAW
I just watched beginning of the recently leaked video produced by
the WTBTS allegedly instructing elders how to treat JWs contemplating suicide.
Illegal practice of medicine
Definition of the Practice of MedicineUnder the terms of the Medical Act, the practice of medicine is defined as follows:
"31. Every act having as its object to diagnose or treat any deficiency in the health of a human being constitutes the practice of medicine.
In the context of the practice of medicine, the activities restricted to the physician are as follows:
1. diagnosing illness;
2. ordering diagnostic examinations;
3. using diagnostic techniques that are invasive or present a risk of harm;
4. determine medical treatment;
5. prescribe medication and other substances;
6. prescribe treatments;
7. use techniques or apply treatments that are invasive or present a risk of harm, esthetic procedures included;
8. monitor clinically the condition of patients whose state of health presents risks;
9. provide follow-up care in pregnancy and attend at confinements;
10. decide on the use of restraint measures. "The medical profession being an exclusive one, only those who hold a permit from the Collège des médecins du Québec may apply such measures. Any treatment, if administered with a view to caring for or healing a patient, is a form of medical practice.What is the illegal practice of medicine?
There are two ways to infringe upon the Medical Act in matters of the illegal practice of medicine:- to engage in medical activities without holding a permit from the Collège des médecins du Québec;
- to use the title of "physician", which is a reserved title, or claim to be capable of practising medicine, an exclusive profession.
The Professional Code stipulates that:
"No person shall claim in any manner to be an advocate, notary, physician, dentist, pharmacist, optometrist, veterinary surgeon, agrologist, architect, engineer, land-surveyor, forest engineer, chemist, chartered accountant, radiology technologist, denturologist, dispensing optician, chiropractor, hearing-aid acoustician, podiatrist, nurse, acupuncturist, bailiff, midwife or geologist, or use one of the above titles or any other title or abbreviation which may lead to the belief that he is one, or engage in a professional activity reserved to the members of a professional order, claim to have the right to do so or act in such a way as to lead to the belief that he is authorized to do so, unless he holds a valid, appropriate permit and is entered on the roll of the order empowered to issue the permit, unless it is allowed by law."
One need not go as far as using a title in one form or another to break the law; it is enough to act in a manner that leads to the belief that he or she is authorized to practise medicine. Thus, a person who publishes, claims or attests to having healed a condition of any kind could be breaking the law.
Inquiries into offences linked to the illegal practice of medicine
While the Collège des médecins du Québec is responsible for the application of laws and regulations relative to medicine (regulatory framework), it is up to the tribunals to determine whether an offence was committed and to then impose penalties. To do so, the Collège must present proof of an offence, which it gathers by means of an inquiry. The Inquiries Division does this work, in addition to its mandate to protect the public against the conduct of any person who engages in medical acts by usurping the title of physician or claiming to be competent to practise the medical profession. The entire case is submitted to the Executive Committee of the Collège for approval.Prevention
The Inquiries Division also acts preventatively, notably by dissuading persons attempting to practise medicine illegally and by preventing the publication of advertising that would mislead the public.Information to Agencies and the MediaThe Inquiries Division also provides information on "alternative therapies" to all establishments or agencies that request it, including the media.
Sensitizing Potential Clients
In fulfilling its mandate, the Inquiries Division counterbalances the values disseminated by certain groups and the media. Not only does it dissuade the violators, but it also cautions, through sensitization, information and consciousness–raising, potential clients who may be tempted to entrust the care of their health to non-physicians.The members of the Division also strive to inform the public so that it will avoid situations where its health could be adversely affected. The Division attempts to sensitize the public in two ways:
by ensuring that the information disseminated in the large daily newspapers, in specialty magazines or on the radio is correct and complete;
by creating a reference and documentation centre in response to requests made by public agencies and the media.Penal ProceedingsWhen the Inquiries Division receives a complaint, it opens an inquiry and, if need be, starts penal proceedings against the healer or any other violator of the Medical Act or Professional Code.
FinesWhereas in the past, the fines for those who engaged in the illegal practice of medicine were specifically stipulated for a first or second offence and subsequent violations, in the Professional Code, the legislator has left it up to the tribunal to determine the gravity of the offence committed and to fix a scale of penalties
in which the judge may exercise discretion. Thus, the fines provided for in the Professional Code for those who break the law range from $1500 to $20,000 per count.
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NeonMadman
In the "Good" example, they quote Jeremiah 29:11 out of context and apply it to Mary. It's not a text about Christians, it's about the Jewish captives in Babylon in the 6th century BC. Not that it's unusual for JWs to take texts out of context, but this one gets used that way so commonly among non-JW Christians that I found it amusing to see the JWs doing it too. Minor point, I know...
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flipper
This just verifies what I've been saying the last two years or so- the WT Society is a criminal organization run by criminals for criminal purposes. WT leaders don't give a damn for Jehovah's Witness members individually. How else can you explain how and why the WT Society separated itself from identity as not being the leaders directing Jehovah's Witnesses in the JW Australia child abuse court cases a couple years ago - denying they were the alleged " faithful and discreet slave class " as it would be an admission of responsibility and guilt ? WT leaders are into protecting their corporation - period mark- no compassion or empathy for real people with real problems whatsoever. The best thing that could happen is negative Karma to come and bite the WT leaders and organization in the a$$ and they get put in prison for some kind of illegal activity. And then shut down. They get away with a lot under the guise of being a religion- which they are not
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tiki
they have absolutely no business involving themselves in situations wher people are so desperate they are ready to destroy themselves. their best advice would be to take them immediately to the nearest ER and get social services involved. when people are so miserable and down they are ready to pull the trigger, they need REAL PROFESSIONAL help. NOT some bozos who think they have it all together because they were supposedly chosen by "holy spirit". and any "elders'or supposedly "mature spiritual men" who think they have credentials enabling them to offset suicidal thoughts and would-be victims need some professional help as well to overcome their grandiose delusions.
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piztjw
Just like to point out that the first part of the video was what you are NOT supposed to do (go alone into back room with sister, touch sister's hand, tell them suicide is murder etc).
Perhaps she needed some additional "attention" and the eldurr was going to try to take advantage of her weakened emotional state to provide that "attention"? That's what they do with "worldly" people who are having troubles whom they meet in field serve us.
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RottenRiley
Why do you think these videos came forward? Information flows only when problems emerge, the majority of Elder Body's would be like Experience 1.
Most of the Elders and their wives are not going to want to spend time with Jehovah's Witnesses with unusual mental problems (Most have mental illness) and suicide is where the JW Elders are grossly incompetent. We lost four Witnesses to suicide one year in our Circuit, the Elders never called the police to have the Witness who told them "I am going to kill myself" committed with a 51-50 charge. I think the Elders and Circuit Overseer deep down are too emotionally empty and the ones who try to play Psychiatrist end up getting in deep shit when the CO finds out the brother spent too much time with a emotionally disturbed person!
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valkyrie
Emotionally bereft? Worship more!
Psychologically devastated? Pray more!
No zest for life? Be more spiritual!
At least they didn't pour oil on her head.
...OUTLAW