Here we go again. Dan 4 and 1914

by leaving_quietly 74 Replies latest watchtower bible

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  leaving_quietly

  All the pieces to this so-called prophecy were penned long before the fourth century when Hillel II establish a fixed calendar. So, I call bunk on that. The Bible expresses 1260 days as 3.5 times (also as 42 months in Rev 11). 1260/3.5 = 360. We have to go with what was the case when the verses were penned, not what was centuries established later.

  Even the 70 years has a drift. 70 lunar years equates to 69.04 years (using 365 days) or 68.99 years (using 365.25 days, and even that's not entirely accurate.)

  Regardless, this prophecy is completely made up to begin with. Connecting Jesus words to Daniel 4 just is mind-boggling. And the prophecy didn't originate with JWs. It goes back to a Baptist minister named William Miller, if I recall correctly, then through the Adventists. JWs just tweaked it to match up with 1914 somehow.

  Back in 1934, in the 3/28 "Golden Age", they did indeed claim to use lunar years of 360 days. The problem is that they use lunar years to get 2,520, but then count forward using solar years.

  
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  Londo111

  It goes back a few decades further to John Aquilla Brown.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppAJou7ioY0&feature=share&list=PLyNx0oM_bmgARlo4tOu8p5ffLCVztc0Yb&index=10
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  jam

  When I was a JW I never understood the Daniel prophecy

  especially after 1975. The next time a JW come to your

  door, ask them about the Daniel prophecy. It will be a quick

  presentation because the average JW do not understand and can

  not explain the nonsense. That is just great, you believe something

  that you don't understand and can't explain. LOL

  Just unbelievable, how much bull sh---t can the average JW take.
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  Finkelstein

  Not only was this set calculation (un)scripturally supported but the actual date of Jerusalem's destruction is

  misaligned intensionally by the WTS. Thought I should correct that ....

  Thats the thing about the freedom of religion men have exploited this to meet their own expressive needs

  anyway they choose to.

  For the WTS. Corporation it was about selling literature with their own devised doctrines to create their own

  power and money.
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  Badfish

  Okay, so my initial impression from someone who knows nothing about this subject:

  Archaeologists around the world agree with the year 586 BCE as the fall of Babylon based on archaeological and historical evidence, but the Watchtower Society made up the date 607 to coincide with their 1914 date that C.T. Russell predicted based on his measurements of the Great Pyramid in Egypt.

  The 2520 number is based on the idea of "seven times" a day for a year (7 x 360 = 2520). The reason why we use the number 360 instead of 365 is because the Bible says 360 days are in a year (thus, 360 x 7 = 2520).

  Now if we do the correct math using the starting point of 586 BCE and add 2520 years consisting of 360 days like the Bible uses, we arrive at the date 1908.

  If we use the fictional date of 607 BCE, adding the same 2520 years consisting of 360 days each, we arrive at the date 1887.

  Am I doing my math right?
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  WhoYourDaddy

  revelations was written by some guy on a REALLY bad acid trip.
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  Badfish

  revelations was written by some guy on a REALLY bad acid trip.

  That is beside the point when you're talking about a false calculation based on a false date.
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  AnnOMaly

  Archaeologists agree with either 587 BCE or 586 BCE as the fall of Jerusalem (the former date being the more accurate one).

  The 607 date (was formerly 606) came from the misunderstanding that the 70 years was supposed to be the period of the land's 'desolation without inhabitant' from Zedekiah's dethronement and was counted back from Cyrus' edict in his 1st year, assumed to be the end of that 1st year in early 537 BCE (was formerly 536 BCE).

  The Pyramid was thought to corroborate the 1914 date, but was not the foundation of it. The Bible was said to be the basis of the 1914 date.

  A 360 day year is not a lunar year (a lunar year is 354 days but needed an extra 29 or 30 day month every 2 or 3 years to sync with the seasons). The 360 day year was a schematic year of 12x30 days. To that had to be added the 2 equinoxes and solstices to keep it more in line with the solar year - more info HERE. However, the WTS just made 360 days (the imaginary 'prophetic' year) into 360 solar (365 day) years x 7 = 2520 solar years.
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  WhoYourDaddy

  WT writing dept should stop smoking SO MUCH crack.
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  Badfish

  Ok, so when you add these equinoxes and solstices, does it add up to 1914 again starting from 607?

  If so, the 360-day years and lunar calendar arguments are debunked. It would all come down to 587 vs 607.