Bill Bowen "Kidneys"

by HildaBingen 87 Replies latest jw friends

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  Will Power

  Good Morning Hilda

  There is no better way than sitting in the dust and waiting on the certain inward word from God. Relying on God always works.

  You have got it exactly right! Exactly what the victims have been told for years by their sheparding elder leaders. And since they have been so patient and compliant, year after year, their Jehovah has sent Mr. Bowen to right the wrongs, vindicate their spirit. With Jehovah's backing he will not fail. He seeks no personal glory and has endured personal persecution and riducule from his so called brothers & sisters in Christ for taking a stand for what is right.

  Yes we will all be "waiting" because it is only a matter of time now.

  Will
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  HildaBingen

  Will and Meta,

  You may be right. Bill's actions will possibly do some good. Time will tell. But I am not one to believe that the rightness or wrongness of actions can strictly be measured in terms of consequences. Of course that sword cuts both ways, my dears.

  On the other hand, maybe God is using Bowen and his motives are noble. Time will tell. I only pose questions; none of us have ironclad answers.

  Yet another thing to consider is God's role in matters. God is an ontological mystery--like life itself. We cannot fathom the infinte depths of the divine one. Man often wrongly ascribes blame to God for things that he himself (man) does (Proverbs 19:3).

  The unexamined life is not worth living.
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  sf

  Hildyyyyy, youuuuuuwhooooooooooo

  < http://www.catholic.com/library/History_of_the_Jehovah_Witnesesses.asp

  sKally, ALL-SAINT Klass

  If man was supposedly created in gods image, then.....holy krap...we're all doomed.-sKallyWagger

  “What a blessing such integrity keepers are to the congregation!”(5/15/02 WT magazine, pg. 27)
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  Undecided

  Hilda.

  If God was involved in a caring way with mankind there wouldn't be a problem like this in His church, or is He just not here? Show me one way that he is involved in any of man's activities? Religions are as divided as any of man's pursuits, or should I say more divided?

  Like the latest Watchtower says, he will solve all man's problems by destroying them, not changing them.

  Ken P.
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  lv4fer

  Why should he have to loose all his friends and family when he has done nothing wrong. By going to the press and making himself as visible as possible is lessens the liklihood of the org. DF him. If you keep things quiet they can do what they want and no one knows and those in the org only know what they've been told by the org. I think he is going about it in the right way.

  If he gets 5 min of fame so be it. He has invested alot of time and energy in this important cause. So many of us even though we agree with him, just let things go on because we don't have the time and energy it takes to fight something like this.

  Kudos to him!

  "The reward for conformity was that everyone liked you except yourself."

  Rita Mae Brown
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  Kismet

  Hlda:

  For several years I waited on God to fix the problems within the Organization. I struggled at the highest levels to instigate change from within. I sat and watched children die due to the blood issue. Two of them dying in front of me.

  While at Bethel, I received report after report of elders abusing the flock emotionally and occasionally sexually. I saw the underbelly of this group self-proclaimed God's Chosen People, The Watchtower Society, and let me tell you, it isn't pretty.

  Are you now saying to the children who have been abused, "Shhhhh just endure the abuse. Remain quiet, Jehovah loves those covering over a matter?" Meanwhile these children are emotionally scarred for life. Yes, let's just wait on god.

  I am sorry but there are thousands of cases of abuse within the Jehovah's Witness religion in the States alone. How much longer do you feel the silent lambs should wait on God? How many Jews died waiting on God in 1941-45. How many children have to wait on this same God to end their suffering at the hands of perverse and mentally sick people?

  How long do they wait?

  This issue is larger than Bill Bowen and it is not about Bill. He is the first to admit it. If however by his actions he can turn the high beams on this dark and closely hidden secret, more power to him!

  If you cannot understand the anger of some here, I would encourage you to read some of the personal experiences found on this forum. Most of us have had that line ("wait on Jehovah") shoved down our throats and used as a controlling device against us by the Elders and the Society.

  Forgive us if we flinch when we see the same whip that has been used against us.

  Kismet
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  HildaBingen

  Dear Ken:

  :Hilda.

  If God was involved in a caring way with mankind there wouldn't be a problem like this in His church, or is He just not here?:

  Do you believe in free will, Ken? If one does believe that man is free as regards his volition--and I do--it seems hard to contend that the world could possibly be without evil, even with the presence of a good God. Certain theologians think that such a concept is impossible. They believe that where there is free will, there will necessarily be evil. I agree for the most part with this proposition.

  :Show me one way that he is involved in any of man's activities? Religions are as divided as any of man's pursuits, or should I say more divided?:

  Religion is not necessarily the answer to the problems of humanity. Many times it is the cause of dreadful problems. One must learn to differentiate between God/religion and false religion/true religion and even between the "wheat" in the true religion. Read what Augustine has to say about the church being a mixed body and I think you will see what I mean.

  I myself see God in the daily activities of the world. God is in nature, to me. He is also in humans insofar as they act kindly and love one another (the natural law of Thomas Aquinas and the apostle Paul). However remember that humans also have a demonic side as well. Without getting into the specifics of how such a demonic nature originated, let me just say that methinks the human sciences have long demonstrated (in a non-religios way) that humans have something akin to what Paul Tillich called "the demonic." Freud speaks of the id while Christians call the phenomenon "sin."

  :Like the latest Watchtower says, he will solve all man's problems by destroying them, not changing them.:

  I don't think that humanity, as a whole, is capable of change. God will have to destroy this wicked age to set matters right once and for all. However there seems to be no other choice unless we all desire to live in a world that is either populated by evildoers or robots who do what is good at all times.
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  Mimilly

  Bill is not after 'fame'. He has worked heart and soul to uncover the lies and deceptions that force many souls to live in an agonizing silence. Hilda - you're a boor, and you've NO conception of what the toll of abuse holds over a person. Add to that that it's done in the name of God, or to be kept silent for the good of the congregation, and what you have is a religious organization that abuses, and reabuses. Now if you think THAT is not worth exposing, then you have diddly to do with Christ.

  silentlamb no more,
  Mimilly
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  TR

  Hilda,

  I have met Bill in person and talked with him at length, and I assure you he is a very humble and sincere man. He doesn't come across like some caped crusader, but a man that is genuinely concerned for the welfare of kids and others that have been abused.

  Bill's genuine concern for children has caused the very brotherhood that he is a part of to shun him. It's not Bill's motives that should be in question here.

  TR

  UADNA-WA
  Unseen Apostate Directorate of North America- Washington Division
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  HildaBingen

  Mr or Mrs Kismet:

  :For several years I waited on God to fix the problems within the Organization. I struggled at the highest levels to instigate change from within. I sat and watched children die due to the blood issue. Two of them dying in front of me.:

  That is truly sad. I can only imagine the inward angst you went through at that time.

  :While at Bethel, I received report after report of elders abusing the flock emotionally and occasionally sexually. I saw the underbelly of this group self-proclaimed God's Chosen People, The Watchtower Society, and let me tell you, it isn't pretty.:

  I am not denying the truthfulness of at least some of what Mr Bowen says. My questions have more to do with his method. Why not leave the organization before you begin to publically take it on, instead of starting a row while claiming to be a loyal JW? I do not understand that mindset. It is like Mr Bowen wants to sit on the fence and have the name of JW while criticizing the organization. Me fails to understand where he is coming from, that man.

  :Are you now saying to the children who have been abused, "Shhhhh just endure the abuse. Remain quiet, Jehovah loves those covering over a matter?" Meanwhile these children are emotionally scarred for life. Yes, let's just wait on god.:

  I made it clear that I detest child abuse. Moreover policy in the WT probably should be changed. But methinks there could be another way besides bringing all this negative publicity on the JWs and making people think they all advocate pedophilia. That is simply not true anymore than its correct to say that Catholics espouse child abuse.

  :I am sorry but there are thousands of cases of abuse within the Jehovah's Witness religion in the States alone. How much longer do you feel the silent lambs should wait on God? How many Jews died waiting on God in 1941-45. How many children have to wait on this same God to end their suffering at the hands of perverse and mentally sick people?:

  How do you know that there are thousands of abuse cases in the US? Can you verify this stat with empirical evidence? Or is it just hearsay?

  And I stand by what I said earlier. It is always right to wait upon God, as long as we understand what that expression means. Don't blame Yahweh for the wickedness of humans. Just what could the Jews have done differently to make their plight better besides waiting on God? You tell me, please.