Bill Bowen "Kidneys"

by HildaBingen 87 Replies latest jw friends

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  Undecided

  Hi Hilda,

  I myself see God in the daily activities of the world. God is in nature, to me.

  I have thought of this also, but when I looked at nature I didn't like what I saw underneath it all. Natural disasters like tornadors, earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, lightning strikes, etc. Then there is all the virsuses, parasites, hostilities between animals and the design of everything having to kill in order to survive. It's not very pretty when you think beyond the pretty exterior.

  Got to go now, my brother-in-law is having a serious operation and they moved it up a few hours.

  Ken P.
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  mouthy

  Kismet -I agree with your post whole heartily
  Hilda-I feel so sorry for you. Your trying to be loyal to The Watchtower.....But why not pray & ask for TRUTH about the Watchtower. I know I was just like you while I was with them from 1963-1987
  when they kicked me out-cos I didnt believe Jesus came invisably in 1914-I lost family( shunning) I say Thanks Bill Bowen to have the guts to stand up & be counted.
  Hilda -go to http://www.jwinfoline.com/Page/audio.htm
  You might hear something to your avantage.
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  Nathan Natas

  Hildegard of Binge Und Purgen,

  You are a transparent Watchtower troll. Return to your vomit.

  - Nathan Natas, UADNA
  (Unseen Apostate Directorate of North America)
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  ThatSucks

  HildaBingen:

  But methinks there could be another way besides bringing all this negative publicity on the JWs and making people think they all advocate pedophilia.

  It is clear from your posts that your primary concern is with protecting the image of the JWs. You say you do not advocate child abuse out of one side of your mouth, yet you support what caused child abuse in the JW organization out of the other side of your mouth. You are either an insincere apologist or extremely confused, trying to play the "God" card while elder Alfred bangs little Sally-Sue a few miles away.
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  Will Power

  Why not leave the organization before you begin to publically take it on, instead of starting a row while claiming to be a loyal JW? I do not understand that mindset. It is like Mr Bowen wants to sit on the fence and have the name of JW while criticizing the organization. Me fails to understand where he is coming from, that man.

  Be careful you don't mix up a loyal JW (Jehovah's Witness company man) with a loyal JW (witness of Jehovah). Anyone can see Mr. Bowen is not being disloyal to his Jehovah by trying to protect the children but causing corporate headquarters of the Jehovah's Witness organization to feel uncomfortable. On the contrary, he is not sitting on the fence. He was taught & believed all his life that he was following his God by obeying the corporation. He was taught so well by these professionals that he is now practicing what he had preached. But not on a whim or hearsay. You are seeing and hearing the outcome of years of struggle.

  Will
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  HildaBingen

  :Be careful you don't mix up a loyal JW (Jehovah's Witness company man) with a loyal JW (witness of Jehovah). Anyone can see Mr. Bowen is not being disloyal to his Jehovah by trying to protect the children but causing corporate headquarters of the Jehovah's Witness organization to feel uncomfortable. On the contrary, he is not sitting on the fence. He was taught & believed all his life that he was following his God by obeying the corporation. He was taught so well by these professionals that he is now practicing what he had preached. But not on a whim or hearsay. You are seeing and hearing the outcome of years of struggle.:

  Is Mr Bowen trying to protect the children? Maybe he is. That still remains a question to me. But, whether he is or not, he has still tried to sit on the fence by attempting to remain a JW while having his name plastered all over Christianity Today or CNN criticizing the JW religion. Did he really think that JWs were simply going to sit back and approve of his method (his MO) without calling him on it? What is more, his approach is misrepresentative in some ways and I am highly suspicious of his dodgy data.

  :It is clear from your posts that your primary concern is with protecting the image of the JWs. You say you do not advocate child abuse out of one side of your mouth, yet you support what caused child abuse in the JW organization out of the other side of your mouth. You are either an insincere apologist or extremely confused, trying to play the "God" card while elder Alfred bangs little Sally-Sue a few miles away.:

  I have no desire to protect the image of any religous organization. If religions sin (JW or not), let the chips fall where they may. I do not support child abuse occurring in any organization nor do any JWs that I know. I think that most Witnesses of Jehovah would eschew pedophilia since they have been internally conditioned to detest and hate this crime against children. My concern at this point could be no clearer. What motivates Mr Bowen? If he can sleep at night, more power to him. I am simply thinking out loud.
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  bchapp

  And since they have been so patient and compliant, year after year, their Jehovah has sent Mr. Bowen to right the wrongs, vindicate their spirit. With Jehovah's backing he will not fail.

  This was my thought also. I think Bill has great courage. My prayers are with him and the others, who are trying to help these victims.

  "If the truth hurts most of us so badly that we don't want it told,
  it hurts even more grievously those who dare to tell it." (Judge Ben Lindsey, 1869-1943)
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  bakedcanuck

  can someone please, please, please, explain to me why you guys feed the trolls? why are you trying to reason with someone who's main purpose is to cause trouble? why, when chances are this asshole is just a reincarnation of someone you probably very much despise?

  anyone?
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  ThatSucks

  HildaBingen

  I have no desire to protect the image of any religous organization.

  Okay, with this in mind, I'll continue reading this post...

  If religions sin (JW or not), let the chips fall where they may.

  Okay, I agree with that...

  I do not support child abuse occurring in any organization nor do any JWs that I know.

  That's good, I guess. At least we know that you are okay.

  I think that most Witnesses of Jehovah would eschew pedophilia since they have been internally conditioned to detest and hate this crime against children.

  I agree with that. The problem is, what about the Witnesses of Jehovah that would NOT eschew pedophilia? You know, the ones you don't happen to know who have been "internally conditioned" to detest and hate this crime, (as many other religious followers are) yet do it anyway.

  My concern at this point could be no clearer.

  Yes indeed.

  What motivates Mr Bowen? If he can sleep at night, more power to him. I am simply thinking out loud.

  Okay, thank you. Now I realize that you wish to question Bowen's motives. That's fine. But, since his primary concern is reforming WT policy so that it is more protective of innocent children, I must ask you what motivates YOU? Why would you, who so clearly detests child molestation, question the motives of someone who's clear intent is to stop it? Would you like to know what I think motivates YOU? It's protecting the JW organization. Therefore, when you say you "have no desire to protect the image of any religious organization", in my humble little opinion, you are lying.
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  Mimilly

  Hilda -

  It is YOU who needs to examine YOUR kidneys and motives here. You have yakked your way around in circles since posting. You are not interested in truth or the protection of abused ones. Anyone who is, does not yak their way around in circles. It is not an issue to be side-stepped. It is YOU who is on the fence.

  It is people such as yourself who allow the abuse to continue. Maybe you don't like the whole thing being exposed because, just maybe, YOU are an abuser! Keep it all silent, wait on God.. blah blah blah. How convenient for you.

  silentlamb with a voice. Must be terrifying for you eh?