Seeds of Doubt.

by donny 26 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • DesirousOfChange
    DesirousOfChange

    I had a "Bible Study" with a guy who was "reverse-witnessing" to me. Nothing moved me immediately but I credit him with planting all the seeds of doubt.

    Blood issue for one, which became even more of an issue when WTS said "blood fractions" were not blood. HUH? You just can't have it both ways!

    Then the blatant lack of love and even animosity between some elders and even one BOE vs BOE (esp if they shared a KH. They just didn't pass Jesus' litmus test for love.

    The the baptism of children. Ok, so it's not "infant baptism" but what's the difference in understanding between a 9 month old and a 9 year old? NOT enough to make the "most important decision" in their life. It obviously was just a method to begin the control on a new member.

    Then the favoritism for prominent, popular elders. Didn't matter if they were caught up in a bad business deal, or porn; or deceit or lies. All overlooked, unlike the poor lowly publisher who would get their ass head handed to them on a platter for any of those offenses.

    Then the outrageous user fees for the Assm Hall that was paid off decades ago. Follow the money.

    As should be evident by now, I was a slow learner. All those years of indoctrination just couldn't be expunged in a few days, weeks, or months.

    Doc

  • StephaneLaliberte
    StephaneLaliberte

    When I was 10 or eleven, the book “Revelation and its great climax” was released and we studied it in the book study. Some of these teachings didn’t add up. For instance, the idea that prophecies were fulfilled by assemblies or other modern Watchtower Society events appeared very self centered to me. However, discussing these doubts with my Dad, he reason with me that “Jehovah has an imperfect organization. Hence, this is one thing that I am finding out, but won’t be the last. Ignore these things, stay with Jehovah, stay in the ark, and you will be saved”. I bought this and went on to get baptized.

    Then, there was the 1995 assembly: “A generation actually means a period of time”. Additionally, for the French bible, all the names were changed in the bible to get closer to the Hebrew pronunciation. That year, I seriously doubted things, but pushed things of as I believed the Jehovah’s Witnesses were the only one displaying the fruits of the spirit.

    A few years later, the book “Daniel’s Prophecy” came out and I read it within two days! I felt it had a great deal of information that didn’t make sense, even some of the numbers didn’t add up! I was very disappointed. It took me a little time to swallow. But in time, I reasoned about the same thing I did for the Revelation Book and stayed in the ark.

    Six years later, I started to seriously reconsider my faith. Many doubts that I had pushed aside through the years could no longer be silenced and I researched everything I could in the publications and various sources on the web, including sites such as this one. During this period, I mainly focused around the prophecies, past and present and concluded that the organization was in the dark.

    Yet, despite my new findings, I rationalized these things out as “foolish questionings and genealogies” (Titus 3:9). These teachings, as I understood them then, did not have an actual bearing on the Christian conduct and thus, could be set aside. For instance, what good is it to know who the 5 th king of Israel was if I do not know how to demonstrate love to my brothers and sisters?

    For the next 7 years, I gave greater attention to articles pertaining to the young, the elderly, the widows, the disabled, the poor, and anything thing that promoted Christian love to those in need. In the meantime, I have seen good and bad things in the Congregations. Every time something good was done, I would say “only in Jehovah’s Organization” and every time something bad was done, I would say: “focus on the organization and not just the bad members”.

    About a year ago, I paused and seriously thought: If I acknowledge the good things to the benefit of the society, shouldn’t I also acknowledge the bad things? I profoundly reflected on the fruits that Jesus thought about and came to the conclusion that these fruits would be visible, first and foremost, within the organization. As I have moved around quite often, I have attended a good deal of congregations and came to the following conclusion: Though the Watchtower clearly teaches wonderful and core Christian values, the environment created by its various rules and traditions becomes an obstacle for Christians in applying these values.

    For instance, a brother may become an elder if his service report is acceptable, prepares and attends all meetings, reads everything printed by the society, takes on various responsibilities, makes great talks, etc. Anything that is visible and measurable. Yet, the most important things such as assisting the disabled, the elderly, the widows, the orphans… tend to be unrewarded (Mat 6:3). As a result, the visible things are generally prioritized over the most important ones, thus, defying the very purpose of the entire machine. This is what Jesus denounced vehemently with the Pharisees (Mat 12:7). I had some interesting conversation with close ones on this matter and some told me that in the same manner Israelites had to go over the short comings of there priesthood, we must overcome those of the Organization. However, this argument fell flat as the Nation of Israel was chosen by blood. Today’s Christians are chosen by the fruits.

    About a year ago, it became very clear that I would leave the society, yet, being a born-in, I still had nagging doubts. So, over the last year until now, I have researched everything back and forth. I also read the books authored by Raymond Franz. I must confess that it is these books, especially the one on Christian Freedom that help me settle my decision for good.

    Since then, due to family reasons, I have been slowly fading away and hope to be entirely free in a few years.

    Peace be with you all.

    Ecan6

  • The Searcher
    The Searcher

    Romans 6:7 being taught as a literal death by the GB. If it is literal, then every persons own death wipes out their sins, making Christ's ransom sacrifice totally unnecessary and totally worthless!!

    However, verses 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, 11 of the same chapter blasts the G.B's false teaching out of the water, by clearly explaining that it is a figurative dying - to one's former sinful life-course!

    To hear Witnesses trying to defend the G.B's position on this is stomach churning - they don't realize the full import of what they are trying to justify!

    After that, my mind was fully opened up to TTATT!

  • donny
    donny

    Great replys everybody! Many of your points/issues you listed so far were other notches taken out of the Watchtower tree that finally led to its toppling for me.

  • Syme
    Syme

    Evolution was the first crack for me. Learning and studying all the huge amounts of evidence for evolution; evidence that the WTS (and all creationists) place under the carpet.

    It did not shake my belief in the WTS per se, though, but in the scientific accuracy of the Bible in general. The crack as regards to the WTS itself came a little later, when I cross-referenced all the quotations and statements made in the Life-How Did it Come Here? book. It was then when I saw that all those arguments were in fact plain copy from earlier creationist literature: so we use arguments and fallacies from other religious creationist groups, and then we dismiss creationists as members of 'Babylon the Great'. That was a crack for the WTs itself.

  • Band on the Run
    Band on the Run

    I always suspected that the WTBTS was not truthful. One, I never felt my neighbors, teachers, classmates, president of the United States, Supreme Court justices were jokes and the brothers were right. As we learned about WWII and the Cold War, I could not agree with their neutrality stance. It made a big difference if Hitler or the Allieds prevailed. My neighborhood was about 98% Roman Catholic. We said the Lord's Prayer every day. I saw nothing wrong with it.

    Armageddon appalled me. There was nothing evil with the world.

    There was no isssue. Perhaps Armageddon itself. I hated the brothers at KH. They were idiots.

    For some reason, I studied the history of religion. The NT course was introductory. I always thought that the Bible was complicated. When I finally had to read a part of the Bible, I found one did not need advanced studies to understand the basic structure. I chose the "historical Jesus' as a research topic. It became clear that the Witnesses lied in this literature.

    There was no way WTBTS was going to survive the Beatles and the Filmore East.

  • villagegirl
    villagegirl

    The "straw that broke the camel's back" was the realization the WT

    was capable of lying and deception. Believe it or not I trusted them.

    I had seen things all along that disturbed me, notably when at some book

    study the Matthew 25 scripture where Jesus is saying " I was naked and you

    clothes me, hungry and you fed , me ...." etc and the book was saying this

    was applying to the other sheeps treatment of the faithful and discreet slave class,

    and I said out loud "No its not." But I didn't leave at that point, I should have.

    It was only after I was diagnosed with cancer and told I did not have a good

    chance of survival, that I really examined things. Then one day a Watchtower

    referred to a book/pamphlet, Millions Now Living Will Never Die, BUT they re-named

    it Millions Now Living May Never Die, and I said "That's not the title." They were

    trying to deceive people into thinking they did not set dates or timelines. I went to

    the local library and they did an international inter-library search for this book.

    It coast me $20 through Library Services, and they found the pamphlet, photcopied

    it and gave it to me. It was entitled Millions Now Living Will Never Die, just as I had

    remembered it. That was the beginning of the end for me.

    The next great breakthrough was realizing there were not two classes,

    or a large group who wasn't supposed to have communion with Jesus Christ,

    and just sit there while the wine and bread is passed around.

    I learned of the concept of the Body of Christ, that everyone was equal in this Body.

  • notsurewheretogo
    notsurewheretogo

    The Generation change in the 1990's....98 was it? They changed a major prophecy right there and I knew then what it meant...the Big A was not coming...took me till 2012 to start fading though...

  • StephaneLaliberte
    StephaneLaliberte

    villagegirl, I found your comment interesting as I recalled that both titles had been used. That is, "Millions now living MAY never die" and "Millions now living WILL never die".

    Looking into this, I found that the WT Library 2013 used "WILL" most of the times, however, the expression "MAY" has still been used on numerous occasions.

    I also found the following quote in the old magazines:

    We strongly recommend the classes everywhere to arrange for one public meeting when a Pilgrim visits your class. Secure a well-located hall and announce an up-to-date subject, such as, "THE WORLD HAS ENDED--Millions now Living may never die!" and give a good public witness to the Truth.

    Zion's Watch Tower, January 1, 1918, page 2. "IN RE Public Meetings" heading.

    Therefore, the society is not distorting history when using the title "[...] may never die". That being said, it is obvious that the "[...] will never die" was the one pushed forward in the following years and also used as the title for a book. Thus, this does not deminish the society's role in preaching a false prophecy as all those who heard this talk, have since, died.

  • leaving_quietly
    leaving_quietly

    There were two talks around the same time period, one title "Millions Now Living Will Never Die". The other, "Millions Now Living May Never Die".

    Proclaimers p. 719:

    1918 The discourse “The World Has Ended—Millions Now Living May Never Die” is first delivered, on February 24, in Los Angeles, California. On March 31, in Boston, Massachusetts, the talk is entitled “The World Has Ended—Millions Now Living Will Never Die”

    Of course, the world did not end in 1918, either.

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