Do you think not having the book study in private homes has had much effect?

by truthseeker 41 Replies latest jw friends

  • JWdaughter
    JWdaughter

    HEY! That is so not fair! We did NOT have regular treat nights. I remember twice in 8 years or so that we had some cake for an anniversary or something. They even discussed WHY we did not do that. Because it was churchy and became a burden (to someone, I guess-as a woman, I always liked an opportunity to entertain or provide treats, but maybe that is weird of me?. . . .).

    How did our group get ripped off? BTW, we were at a nice middle class home with nice middle class folks. No one weird and we had the a favored elder (I think the main dude). I do remember that the family built the family room just SO they could have the meetings there. It was my mom's best friend who she brought into the religion (then her husband who has now become an elder). It was a nice group, not too much socializing, but I remember trying to decipher the really stupid books study books and there was one that changed so much that they told us to rip out and replace a page or something. . .?

    Why did we think we were so bright because we understood that riduculous stuff? Seriously! They told us BS and we answered the questions that we were FED. It was crap. How were we all so deluded? At least I was a kid. What was the adults excuse?

  • L3G
    L3G

    Like others here, I found the book study to be mainly good but a bit of a pain. IT WAS a pain to have to prepare (sometimes ad nauseum) the assignment, get all dressed up, travel over to the publisher's home, and at times have to quickly find someone to substitute for the reader when he'd bow out at the last minute.

    One the other hand, IT WAS the best socializing at any meeting. One didn't even have to go out afterward. If you had a good host home, you could just stay and socialize. More than any other meeting the friends would let their hair down and be themselves. I found more genuine love there than at the KH. The asshole elders weren't there either and I could control what went on and do things that some of them would object to, you know, really evil things like have the brothers take their jackets and ties off after the study was over, laugh, play music, eat and drink. It was a great time to talk with the publishers, get their input and find out their needs, make plans for the future, etc. IT WAS THE MOST HUMANE MEETING BY FAR. Perhaps most important from a biblical standpoint, it was the meeting most like the way the earliest Christians met. That explains the result that it was the most loving meeting. It likely also explains why it was done away with!

    In sum then, the good far outweighs the bad and thus I must agree with Watson:

    As an organization, I think it was one of the worst moves the[y] have made.

    Good thread, truthseeker!

  • DATA-DOG
    DATA-DOG

    I started hating the book study the 2nd or 3rd time we studied the Revelation book.... Do you think the WTBTS will ever try to institute another meeting at the KH again?! [shudder....] Would they ever?? Or would the sheeple get angry?

    DD

  • THE GLADIATOR
    THE GLADIATOR

    Despite placing such much importance on attending all meetings for more than a hundred years, the length of meetings has recently been halved. Presumable the membership can now survive on half the spiritual food that was deemed essential before. In addition the group study meeting has also been axed. For most of the Society’s existence an hour long, weekly group study took place in homes of approved members. These group meetings were said to be in preparation for a time of persecution against Jehovah's Witnesses during the coming Great Tribulation. If Kingdom Hall’s were shut down by the authorities, under the direction of Satan, the member were to become an underground movement and meet only in these small secret groups.

    The official reason given for canceling these study groups is that the change allows the membership more free time; also petrol/gasoline is saved. The introduction by town councils of Special Use Permits for homes being used as places of worship is a contributing factor. The new requirement for accident liability insurance in private homes used for worship may also have been a factor. The practice of reading a Bible based text before field ministry has also been stopped, as it could fall foul of these requirements.

    It has been suggested that the society has stopped the group study arrangement in order to centralize control and prevent these smaller groups from developing ideas of their own. In my experience these small groups were less formal than the Kingdom Hall meetings in both style and dress code. Often tea and coffee would be served afterwards, allowing informal conversation to develop where members could share their own ideas with each other and talk more intimately than in a Kingdom Hall. Members of each group met at a home close to their own. The small, intimate local setting allowed for a more liberal discussion than the main meetings. Strong bonds were formed in this more social environment. Each group had its own flavor, depending on the personality and personal views of the elder taking the group.

    In a congregation that I was part of, I recall members attending a more popular group of their own choice instead of the group they had been assigned to. One unpopular elder who held a group at home, found himself with just his wife and children for company. This was a deliberate protest by his group. Strong Arm tactics were used to bully the errant members into returning to their own group. Holding all meetings at the Kingdom Hall with the whole congregation and many elders present, has brought to an end those wandering days and made forming a bond with a particular group more difficult. It has given the elders more control over the congregations. Short of leaving their religion, the only way members can protest at the way a congregation is run, is by upping stakes and moving to a different congregation.

    Groups have been a central part of member’s lives for many decades. Part of the purpose of meeting in small groups was to meet undercover should Witnesses face persecution. The much quoted scripture quoted at the beginning of this chapter urges members to gather together all the more so as they behold the day drawing near. Yet, this previously vital meeting has been cancelled. Many members are wondering why group centers have been abolished when the ‘great tribulation leading to Armageddon’ is believed to be closer than ever.

    Taken from: Can Jehovah's Witnesses Survive? Trevor Willis

  • krejames
    krejames

    @ShirleyW: hehe that would figure wouldn't it? Actually she was quite an elderly lady at the time and I think she kind of drifted away from the witnesses and died some years ago. In fact most of the members of that book study group at that time aren't witnesses anymore (unsurpisingly I guess). The ex-spirit medium went back to being a medium, the other sister divorced her husband and I heard she later got disfellowshipped (no idea why, I think she was affected mentally by psychological abuse from her husband).

    @Magwitch - I like your cats' style! lol

    I agree with those who said it was a big strategic mistake for the book study to be scrapped. I distinctly remember all the talk about the book study groups being the lifeline when the persecution started and then suddenly, out of the blue, it was done away with. It did make it much easier for me to fade.

  • prologos
    prologos

    Bokstudy you could get TaTT comments in, no matter what the book was they studied. Now, its so limited to the same egocentric "heavies" at the hall.

    Our last group managed to have the 'study' on Saturday morning, then high quality snacks and drinks, the 5 min of field service before metting at coffe shop.

    The conductor hated it, for the off-topic comments coming his way, unprepared to reply to.

    A brilliant move by wt to cancel it. now canceeled another assembly day. purpose to isolate the flock more. the jig is up.

  • rrb2016
    rrb2016

    Some of the only good childhood memories of growing up a JW, now that I think about it were the Book Studies. I remember early on we attended at a really cool Elder's home. It was a very old Colonial style home. Their bathroom was upstairs, and I once locked myself in the bathroom during the meeting. Caused quite a disturbance. At the same meeting my friend and I, we must have been about 5 or 6 - would sit across from each other and keep track off how many answers we could get in. We would compete and hold our fingers up with how many we had answered. Funny.

    In later years the book study was held in our home. My Dad had converted our basement into a party room with pool table, jukebox, etc. and we held the study in the basement. The same basement that my parents held wild JW parties til all hours of the night, with people completely drunk. Eating beer sausages and dancing to the hustle. And having to get up for meeting the next morning. LOL.

  • smiddy
    smiddy

    I tend to agree with previous posters that it was a grave mistake organizationally to disband the mid-week book study. In the 1960`s we were encouraged to do an hour pre-study witness on the territory close to the home of the B.S. which a number of us did. Years later we held the book study at our house , and it was a real social event. You did get to know and socialise with each other and form freindships more easily. What may have been a difference for us and those that have negative experiences is , we were adults , whereas children or young people may have veiwed it differently.

    Replacing the B.S. with a family night study ? I just dont comprehend , we were supposed to do that anyway by preparing for the WT study , the B.S. the M.S.& S.M. and also preparing for F.S. on the weekends.

    Reading the above you can see I was gung-ho for the W.T. , an incident that happened close to my/our exiting the Borg.

    We attended a B.S. for close to a year with a couple of elders , one had moved in a few months prior and was waiting to be re-assigned and they were thick as theives . cliquey .

    After a service meeting one night the new elder who was in a seat in front of us after the prayer turned around and said ," hi , I must come around and pay you a visit soon when its convenient ", I just looked at him and said ," dont bother, you never gave us the time of day at the book study , so I dont see any need for you to come around now " I must have been at the end of my tether then . The look he gave me was priceless.

    smiddy

  • freddo
    freddo

    "Greatest Man" book study was the best. "Revelation" was awful first time, worse second time and boring/cringing when we had to paste in "new light" - what a crock. Cedar Point Ohio = the seven bowls or some nonsense - helped me wake up.

    The new 3 in 1 mid-week meeting is just a rush of garbage. And now the bethel sends its announcements by jw.orgmail to the elders we get more than ever - here in UK instead of costing them 1500 letters at a £1 each (post and paper and ink) it's given free!

    We get crappy announcement/letter after crappy announcement/letter, all the auxiliary "pioneers" doing 30 hrs get announced, the accounts report gets announced and yet they did away with the announcements!

    And the boys on the sound desk tell me they have to shave a minute or two off of every service meeting item to accommodate it all.

    Still it's an evening off like you say.

  • blondie
    blondie

    I go back aways, first book study I remember I was 4 living with relatives and at my relative's house. It was the only time we really had a conversation with other jws; not at the KH where there were more people and had chores to do. People who remembered my name and felt they had time to talk to a 4 year old.

    Later I lived in closed community and thought we were the only jws. But we went to a nearby town for the book study and realized I wasn't the only jw child, children to talk to. Because it was the same small group every week, you actually got to know each other. Because my father wasn't a jw them, few jws socialized with lus at their homes so goodie night was great, feeling part of the group like a family.

    I agree that the WTS will lose that closer feeling that developed for some at the book study, never at the KH. I'm sure that the so-called field service groups are badly attended and that they are having to combine 2 to get enough people on Saturday mornings.

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