Do athiests believe it's possible that aliens, not all powerful God created man?

by EndofMysteries 27 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Apognophos
    Apognophos

    a series of dividing by zero and a trillion chances to one for just the right conditions to happen to just the right thing to spontaneously result in the first life form

    On the contrary, we don't have any idea what the odds were. They might have been 0.001%, or 50%, or 1 in a trillion. It's entirely possible that the laws of the universe tend towards complexity and that complexity tends towards life in such a way that the odds were 100% over the long-term (similar to how convergent evolution produces the same features multiple times in nature and how intelligent apes seem to have arisen multiple times before Homo sapiens).

    Yes, one could still say, "Well what are the odds the universe would turn out that way, with rules that result in intelligent life?" Hopefully I don't sound like a broken record when I say that we don't know how many universes have existed before this one. If the odds of us developing were one in a trillion, but we are living in the trillion-and-first universe, and the previous trillion did not have life, then the odds were well in our favor.

    There's simply too much we don't know. That doesn't mean that anyone is discarding any possibilities. You are unlikely to think of anything that a scientist hasn't already. We're still learning a lot about our universe, so as our knowledge increases, the data will lead to hypotheses, and then theories. You are skipping a couple steps by going straight to, "We're robots made by aliens." It's a fine premise for a what-if discussion, but it's not testable so it doesn't have any scientific value.

  • Comatose
    Comatose

    No matter how large the odds were, life will always eventually happen because you have an endless amount of time to make it happen. So it's like playing the lottery forever. If you played it forever you would eventually win.

  • metatron
    metatron

    I now understand (in recent years) why the 'chance of the right molecules forming life' is likely wrong. This area is a bit unexplored but I strongly suspect that self-organization is just something nature does, from time to time. It isn't purely random.

    metatron

  • snare&racket
    snare&racket

    Panspermia can't be dismissed, we know even bacteria csn survive in space. But it would be unwise to slow down our work in abiogenesis in exchange for a panspermia hypothesis, at the moment certainly. We still have a lot to ask and rule out before we go in that direction.

    The advancements in abiogenesis now we believe RNA is the original code, are significant and it is exciting times to be alive and able to learn.

    Saying all this, I am open to thr idea of panspermia and for some reasom find it a comforting theory. Maybe because it eliminates our loneliness in the universe.

  • Viviane
    Viviane

    On the contrary, we don't have any idea what the odds were.

    On the tertiary, the odds were exactly 1 since it happened :)

  • Apognophos
    Apognophos

    Touché Of course the odds of a lottery winner winning the lottery are 100%, because he won. The odds of the average lottery player winning the lottery are one in some millions. My point was that we don't know how many tickets would win the lottery out of the total number sold. Perhaps 50% of all tickets (universes) would win, due to self-ordering characteristics in the universes that were being spawned. But as said above, eventually you will win even if 0.000000000001% of tickets can win, as long as you keep playing the lottery long enough.

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut

    Great answers on page 1:

    All life on Earth evolved from a single common ancestor.

    Every single living thing on Earth is related. All living things share DNA.

    No need for aliens to be involved.

    And:
    Who created the aliens?\

    It is clear that aliens did not dump "HUMANS" on this planet, but it does not rule out the idea that they started the original life in the primordial soup. But if that were the case, then we still would not know how those aliens lives were started on their planet. Life had to come from lifelessness somewhere, somehow- even if you think a god did it. Something would have had to start "God" from lifelessness to life. So a reasonable person would see that the evidence suggests that life from lifelessness started right here on earth without aliens.

  • EndofMysteries
    EndofMysteries

    I brought up the possibilitly after contemplation.

    Look at this video, this is life 'inside a cell', it's a beautiful amazing video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFq6aavkqG4

    There is a whole world inside a cell.

    Now the cell itself is alive and there is a whole world inside our bodies of living cells. Imagine if what's inside cells started thinking and trying to figure out their origins, they can't see beyond the world inside the cell, the cell is the world.

    Imagine if the cells themselves in our bodies tried to figure out where life originated, our body is their universe, they wouldn't be able to figure it out.

    Recently it's been discovered that possibly our entire universe, not galaxy but the whole universe may be from a 4th dimensional star becoming a black hole, so then possibly our entire universe was born from a small part of another universe. Our entire universe may be just like that little cell in our body with a world contained within.

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