JWs next false prophesy.....2004/2005...

by TheApostleAK 19 Replies latest jw friends

  • Nemesis
    Nemesis

    U2K,

    How do you explain the number of anointed back in the first few centuries? There were hundreds of thousands if not millions, so why do you believe that 144,000 weren’t filled until 1935? Here is a quote from the Watchtower:

    (Watchtower 1951, 1 September, p. 516)

    “Nero saw to it that the first of these terrible persecutions set the pace for the rest. At once he caused Christians to be rounded up, summarily condemned and put to death in the most barbaric manner conceivable. Some were thrown to the fierce beasts in the public arena, others were sewed in animal skins and left to the fury of wild dogs, many were crucified, and still others were garbed in combustible materials and ignited to become human torches lighting the gardens of Nero by night. It was in this persecution that the apostle Paul was martyred.

    “Brief respite followed the death of Nero, but by the latter years of the first century the second great persecution, under Emperor Domitian, flared up. It is said that in the year 95 alone some 40,000 suffered martyrdom . . . Diocletian assumed the crown A.D. 284. At first he seemed friendly to the Christians, but in the year 303 he gave in to persuasion and opened the tenth persecution, probably the most ferocious of all. Suffocation by smoke, forcible drinking of melted lead, mass drownings and burnings, breaking on the rack of men and women alike ran the empire with blood. In a single month 17,000 were slain. In the province of Egypt alone, 144,000 such professed Christians died by violence in the course of this persecution, in addition to another 700,000 who died as a result of fatigues encountered in banishment or under enforced public works . . . The Devil’s vicious assaults by violence against Christianity continued through the Dark Ages, the Reformation and right into the present days. Only the hand of the persecutor, not the basic reasons for persecuting, has changed . . . But for all of this, it is noteworthy that many pagans, even officers in the army, were converted to Christianity by the unwavering faith of the Christians while enduring the cruelest torture . . . The Christian stand of complete separateness from the world and its systems stood out in refusal of military service as in the case of the young Christian Maximilian, who protested that he had taken the badge of Christ and could not as well accept that of the world.”

    There are 901,000 listed just in this article, there must have been hundreds of thousands more who are not mentioned here, so why on earth do you take number 144,000 to be literal, as it would have clearly been filled many centuries ago?

  • Black Man
    Black Man

    As much as I'd like to see the WBTS set a date and be WRONG yet again, I don't see your rational in concluding that they are even hinting at 2004-2005. There has been nothing said or implied in their publications that would even allude to that. We're reaching here.............

  • dmouse
    dmouse

    You're not the only one, Black Man. And you are completely correct, the society isn't saying ANTHING really.

    BUT, the average R&F jw has a penchant for reading into the literature suggestions of a date, it is their key concern. The Society knows this, and so doen't NEED to spell it out, brothers are EXPECTED to make connections, however flimsy, and once 2005 passes the Society will just smile sweetly and say 'wasn't us'.

    For a more in depth discussion of this topic check out this thread:

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=27195&site=3

  • Elsewhere
    Elsewhere

    For all the prophecies to come true, the following must all happen:

    Earthquakes, floods, famine, desiases, immorality at an unprecendted level - AND people must be saying PEACE & SAFETY.

    How could this be true???

    "As every one knows, there are mistakes in the Bible" - The Watchtower, April 15, 1928, p. 126
    Believe in yourself, not mythology.
    <x ><

  • Nathan Natas
    Nathan Natas

    As far as I know, the WTS has not proclaimed any new dates, ala 1975.

    Then again, I haven't seen a Wtachtower for years. Just recently I got a copy of the Watchtower CDROM for research, but it was the 1995 edition.

    Recall how Russell depended in part on Pyramidology for his "understanding"? An interesting coincidence is that today's Pyramidologists are expecting something in approximately the same time frame...

    Next stop - the Mayan Eschaton in 2021 - ALL ABOARD!!

  • William Penwell
    William Penwell

    This is the sign of the end??? This has been going on for the last 2 thousand years. Some Christians looked toward the year 1000 as the end of the system. What about the 14 century when 1/3 of Europe was wiped out due to the plague in only a few years? I am sure people living in those days thought that was the last days. The reason why things seem worse now is because there are 100 times as many people living today and we are bombarded with news reports daily due from modern 21 century media.

    Will

    "I am quite sure now that often, very often, in matters concerning religion and politics a man's reasoning powers are not above the monkey's."
    Mark Twain

  • RedhorseWoman
    RedhorseWoman

    Something of interest to note here.....the "signs" of the "end" have been on the decline for about ten years now. There are fewer earthquakes and floods, less famine and disease, and less crime.

    Perhaps we have already been through the great tribulation.....and this is paradise.

  • dmouse
    dmouse

    ...or maybe it's the build-up to 'peace and security'

    oooeeer!

  • ThiChi
    ThiChi

    For control purposes, the WT just needs to hold “the time of the end” just far enough away so as to continue its claim to holding the key to surviving this event. Pure genius.......

  • blondie
    blondie

    I doubt any year will be named in the near future now that the resident prophet is dead (Fred Franz). But "soon" and "near" and "fast-approaching" and the like will be peppered throughout the WTS publications.

    Unlocking 1914 and "this generation" has effectively scuttled that ship.

    Interestingly, the cry of peace and security while still part of the the GT events, it is no longer thought necessary to come first.

    The Great Tribulations Chain of Events

    Cry of Peace and Security
    Destruction of Babylon the Great
    Gog of Magog turns on JWs like touching God's eyeball
    Starts Armageddon the culmination of the Great Tribulation

    Somewhere in the is the fulfillment of Jesus coming on the clouds in kingly power to separate the sheep and the goats.

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