GB when they die, there's a paradox

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  • Cold Steel
    Cold Steel

    Yeah, did you ever see the Brit comedy Red Dwarf? An officer by the name of Arnold Rimmer screwed up and a radiation leak killed him and everyone else on the ship except for Dave Lister, who was in stasis, and his cat Frankenstein, who was protected from the radiation by the extra paneling. Three million years later, the ship wakes up Lister and downloads the memories and personality of Arnold Rimmer and turns him into a hologram. This hologram is called "Rimmer," and the only difference between him and the original (who died), is that he had a capital "H" on his forehead -- that and that he couldn't touch or be touched because he was a projection.

    But the point is, Rimmer's entire intellect and persona were simply copied and pasted, so to speak. And in one episode, the hologram and Lister went back in time and holographic Rimmer tried to warn the "original" of his impending doom.

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  • Cold Steel
    Cold Steel

    DATA-DOG: [ Uh?? Didn't they just say the spirit went back to GOD???]

    Ideed. This apparently means that we were all once in Heaven (or first estate) and that we're now here (in our second estate). When we die, we return to God. That's why the Lord told Jeremiah, "Before you were born I knew you. And before you came from the womb I ordained you a prophet unto the nations." (Jeremiah 1:5) And it's why Jesus didn't correct the apostles when they said, "Rabbi, who did sin, this man or his parents that he was born blind?" (John 9:3)

    Thus, if man lived before he came here, it makes sense that he would not cease to be when he departed this life, but would return from whence he came. Many near-death experiences recount people meeting people they knew before they came to mortality, but who lived at different times. That's why many people feel that, in death, they feel like they've come home.

    The JWs, on one hand, say that Jesus had a premortal existence, but they say he didn't go to heaven when he died. They're partially right in that Jesus did not ascend unto his Father until after his resurrection, but the scripture says that he went and "preached to the spirits in prison." (See 1 Peter 3) These souls were disobedient in the days of Noah and in other ages where they didn't have a full opportunity to hear the gospel in its fulness. These miscreants were thus able to live as spirits, but to be judged as though they were in the flesh. (1 Peter 4) When we die, we will not be able to return to the Father until after our resurrections (like Christ). Until then, we live as spirits in Paradise, which is a holding area between death and the resurrection. As the church father Origen said, it's a place of learning, or school of the spirits, in which everything they did on Earth would be made clear to them.

  • Phaedra
    Phaedra

    Yep, 'the dead are conscious of nothing at all' and the 'SOUL is the sinning body that dies...'

    But the convenient fact that the Bible states that 'the spirit goes back to God' and that 144,000 change into *something else* 'in the twinkling of an eye' is still unconvincing to them that something exists/can live on after the fleshly body expires.

    On top of that, they do believe in myriads among myriads of unbodied creatures exist in the spiritual realm. Go figure...

    What is a twinkling of an eye, anyway?

    Phae

  • designs
    designs

    A bunch of early Bishops sitting around made all this up....why try to have it make sense.

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