Petty Gambling

by konceptual99 35 Replies latest jw friends

  • konceptual99
    konceptual99

    According to the Shepherd book...

    The elders do well not to involve themselves in what individuals do with regard to petty gambling solely for entertainment. They may need to give counsel if this becomes a cause of stumbling for others or affects the spirituality of the individual or the congregation.-w02 11/1 p. 31.

    The WT cited talks about games with family or small groups of friends. "Wise Christians" (TM) avoid this but it seems the elders will leave you alone if you keep quiet about it. I've never seen this before. Has anyone got any experience of this?

  • will-be-apostate
    will-be-apostate

    I'm not qute sure about the meaning of "petty gambling". Could someone explain it?

  • konceptual99
    konceptual99

    The Shepherd book is clear that gambling is a potential DF offence but seems to differentiate between repeated participation in gambling for personal greed (e.g. online, betting shops, racing etc. etc.) and small games for low stakes that might happen in families or as a casual thing amongst friends.

    Some famillies may have occassional games where very low value coins are used and it seems that whilst the WT article tries to imply these are not acceptable, the Shepherd book tells the elders to avoid getting involved in judging people on this when you are talking about very low level gambling for "entertainment".

    My thinking is where does the line get drawn? For example, if a Witness bought a lottery ticket on occassion, engaged in low level online poker, had a punt on the Grand National (the one race in the UK everyone has a pop on, often as part of a sweepstake at work), popped a couple ofquid into a slot machine in the pub on a Friday night etc. then could they argue it was purely for entertainment and the elders should butt out?

    It seems to me a bit like the porn thing - if you know the hidden rules then you can get away with stuff that most ill-informed Witnesses would automatically assume was a no no.

  • jwfacts
    jwfacts

    Interesting, since even accepting a free lottery ticket is wrong.

    Awake! 1994 August 8 p.15 Is Gambling for Christians?

    What if a person is offered a free lottery ticket or free money to use for gambling? In either case, accepting such an offer would still be supporting a gambling operation—an operation out of harmony with godly principles.

    Watchtower 1995 May 15 p.23

    “In 1976 it was clarified that no Witness could be employed in a gambling establishment and remain in the congregation.”

    I guess it is referring to play cards, such as 500 or poker, and betting wtih 5 cent pieces to keep it interesting.

  • KateWild
    KateWild

    K99, good point it's all about the hidden rules, and who the elders are that are judging you and your relationship with them. If there is a personal vendetta elders can DF someone for brazen conduct. So it's all about the hidden rules, you can get DF'd for just about anything as long as they stick the label brazen conduct on it.

    But if the elders themselves want to participate in petty gambling they have been given the green light.

    It's all hypocrisy, total nonsense and stupid rules nothing to do with the bible.

    Kate xx

  • jwfacts
    jwfacts

    Good point KateWild, it is hypocritical. I have caught many JWs on the pokies.

  • St George of England
    St George of England

    I know an old brother, MS, who attends a 'Tuesday Club'.

    They meet each week and have coffee, a talk by a visiting speaker on a subject of general interest, and they play Bingo and 'Penny Bingo'. The prizes are only pennies or sometimes bars of chocolate.

    The elders are fully aware of this but do not get involved in view of directions in new Flock Book.

    George

  • sir82
    sir82

    It used to be 0 tolerance, until the KS10 came out.

    My best guess is that a 2/3 majority of the GB at the time the book was released have Friday night poker game or some such, or at least have friends who do, and thus were able to get this concession put in writing.

  • The Searcher
    The Searcher

    Is putting money into Stocks & Shares and Hedge Funds, counted as 'petty gambling'?

  • KateWild
    KateWild

    Good point Searcher, LOL. They are a bunch of hypocrites. Kate xx

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