Is Obama Giving Putin Ideas?

by scotoma 15 Replies latest jw friends

  • scotoma
    scotoma

    The Guardian Tues 25 March (Julian Borger)

    "Russian actions are a problem. They don't pose the number one security threat to the United
    States. I remain much more concerned about the prospect of a nuclear weapon going off in
    Manhattan," the president said, pointing out that was why he had begun a series of bi-annual
    summits aimed at improving the security of weapons-grade fissile material stocks around the
    world.

    So, now, Mr. Putin you know how to get even with the USA and keep them out of your back
    yard. Obama is not afraid of you. You're low on his list. He is afraid of terrorists exploding a nuclear
    device in New York City.

    And where might terrorists get hold of a nuclear weapon? Not Putin. Nooooo. He needs all
    his bombs! Since he's so weak he would never pass one of his small bombs to Muslim terrorists.
    Putin would never do anything so underhanded. He would want credit for any damage he could
    do to the USA. If he sent a bomb on the back of a Muslim terrorist how could he ever get credit
    for such a masterful plan.

    The terrorists would get the credit. But wait a minute - Putin could escape blame.

    Listen to what else Obama says about Putin/Russia.

    "Russia is a regional power showing weakness over Ukraine. The fact that Russia felt it had to
    go in militarily and lay bare these violations of international law indicates less influence, not
    more."

    What's Obama talking about? Does he think this is a pick-up game of basketball at some community
    center where you just taunt and belittle your opponent with pregame "trash-talk"?

    By the way these remarks were made at a heavily attended summit in The Hague where the
    subject was setting standards governing security at nuclear sites and acceptance of international
    inspections as part of the security arrangements. 35 countries agreed to the standards. Russia
    and China were among the 18 countries at the summit that did not sign the agreement.

    Putin's master plan was to create a Eurasian common market similar to the European union.
    The West doesn't want Russia to do that because they fear that some sort of military
    alliance similar to Nato would eventually emerge. Ukraine is the essential piece to that project's
    success. Putin couldn't just let Nato get control of the strategic access Russia needs to the Black
    Sea-Mediterranean and the Atlantic. So, now this sets his plan back because he has been forced
    into a corner and had to respond militarily which of course scares off other countries from joining his project.

    Sure Russia is weak. It doesn't want to fight Nato. He wants to be fully integrated in a multi-
    polar world that isn't pushed around by the USA. There's two alternatives. 1. Become stronger
    than your foe or 2. Weaken your foe by your compliance so that he is caught off guard.

    Now which approach would a Judo expert like Putin take.

  • emeth
    emeth

    Russia is no match for the west

  • designs
    designs

    Diplomatic language is full of layers upon layers.

  • fulltimestudent
    fulltimestudent

    Putin's master plan was to create a Eurasian common market similar to the European union.

    The framework for closer Eurasian ties already exists in the form of the Shanghai Co-ooperation Organisation. This map gives you an idea of who is in the SCO:

    The West doesn't want Russia to do that because they fear that some sort of military alliance similar to Nato would eventually emerge.

    If that was the crux of the problem, then they've already failed. The current western blustering will have the opposite affect. It will drive China and Russia closer together and speed up their military cooperation. While Obama can sneer that the Russian's are just a regional power, a closer Union between China and Russia would be much more formidable.

    Ukraine is the essential piece to that project's success. Putin couldn't just let Nato get control of the strategic access Russia needs to the Black Sea-Mediterranean and the Atlantic. So, now this sets his plan back because he has been forced into a corner and had to respond militarily which of course scares off other countries from joining his project.

    Yes! I think you're right, the real target of the West's creation of unrest in Ukraine, was the Russian Naval base in Crimea. I see it as the USA/EU attempt to punish Russia (under Putin) for supporting the present Syrian government in that country's civil war.

    What I'm not sure about is how accurately the USA/EU side assessed the situation on the ground in the Crimea and Eastern Ukraine, where according to observers that I judge as unbiased, there is majority support for Russia and many ethnic Russians. How could anyone think that Russia could abandon those people.

    Another factor is the position of Obama in American history. He would not want to go down as the President that governed the US during a loss of power. He has to do something that makes him look powerful. Kicking the Russian dog must look like a good idea. Trouble is, some dogs, when they get kicked, jump up and bite.

  • minimus
    minimus

    Putin makes Obama look weak.

  • AlphaMan
    AlphaMan

    Putin makes Obama look weak.

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    Obama makes America look weak.

  • minimus
    minimus

    The worst President ever. He makes Carter look decisive.

  • snowbird
    snowbird

    Obama only has 2 more years, and then H-I-L-L-A-R-Y!!!

    Yeah!

    Sylvia

  • Band on the Run
    Band on the Run

    What would one of you do if you were president? Start a nuclear war. You don't know what is happening diplomatically. I am more worried about what might happen in NY, too. I hope the missing plane doesn't attack some day.

  • snowbird
    snowbird

    BOTR

    Sylvia

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