Is this new donation arrangement for real?

by nugget 324 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • DATA-DOG
    DATA-DOG

    It sounds like a reactionary measure. Let's increase the taxes on the already poor. It won't work in the long run. It's Armageddon or bust. The WTBTS is dying a slow death. Think about it... What will they do when JWs can't even pay their own bills? Will the GB send the Eldubs from house to house like the Sherrif of Nottingham? Will the "SLAVE" direct that JWs car-pool more and move in together? Are they going to force JWs to join a commune??

    There is only so much money to go around. Even if the DF'd half of all JWs and stopped printing all but the dumbest of 1 page tracts, and only had virtual conventions, it only delays the inevitable. It is a system that cannot be sustained, so it WILL fail eventually. If Jesus doesn't come, the WTBTS is going out of business.

    DD

  • JW GoneBad
    JW GoneBad

    I wonder if WT will be passing out this form (or something similar) again....only this time instead of to certain wealthy areas like the Los Angeles County Basin area in Southern California, it sounds like it'll be going out to congregations nationwide and beyond!

    Apparently the well to do JW brothers and sisters in these wealthy areas are becoming more and more hesitant in their giving $$$ to the GB so now the GB has to put the screws to every JW earthwide!

  • Bella15
    Bella15

    Gee... it seems that in JWlaland, their jesus already sent his angels to gather the money! lol

  • skeeter1
    skeeter1

    I want to say first, that I have not alot of research on this issue. But, I have a hunch that changing the Kingdom Hall loan agreement to a charitable contribution disguise is an attempt to get out of taxes. For those of you that remember, taxes are also the reason that the Watchtower went to a strict donation for books and magazine materials. That, was done for sales taxes after California audited another church imposing back sales taxes for all non-Bible publications that were sold in that State.

    From what I can guess, the mother corporation is a 501(c)(3) corporation. The IRS can break a 501(c)(3), turning it into a private foundation. This is when investment income really comes into play. Loan interest would be investment income for the Watchtower. Private Foundation status is probably the Watchtower's worst nightmare. Private foundations are taxed on their interest income, and are watched by the IRS more than ever. If the Watchtower can try to make steps now to turn the interest arrangement into a donation arrangement, then they are covering their arses. There are many, many laws and traps to tax and penalize (i.e. "Excise tax") private foundations from being a quasi-investment house.

    **************************** A handful of the IRS taxes on Public Foundations****************

    http://www.morganlewis.com/pubs/Tax%20Exempt%20and%20Charitable%20Organizations.pdf

    "A public charity that fails to maintain such status will be reclassified as a private foundation. Private foundations are subject to certain restrictions on their operations, embodied in a series of excise taxes described in Section 4940-4945 of the Code. Violations of these provisions may subject the foundations and, in some cases, their foundation managers to excise taxes.

    • Section 4940: Imposes an annual excise tax of 2% on the net investment income (including interest, dividends, rents, royalties, and capital gain net income) of private foundations. A private foundation may be able to reduce this tax to 1% by increasing its annual distributions for charitable purposes."

    • Section 4942 - Mandatory Distributions: A private foundation is required to make annual “qualifying distributions” in an amount equal to 5% of its net investment assets. Qualifying distributions generally include grants to public charities and direct expenditures for charitable purposes, including administrative expenses associated with the conduct of the foundation’s charitable activities and for the acquisition of assets that will be used for charitable purposes. Grants to most “Type III supporting organizations” and “Type I” and “Type II supporting organizations” in which disqualified persons with respect to the foundation have direct or indirect control are not qualifying distributions. The amount that a foundation must distribute is calculated annually; however, the foundation has two years (the year for which the distributable amount is calculated and the subsequent year) in which to make qualifying distributions of that amount. A foundation may carry forward excess qualifying distributions to reduce the distributable amounts over the next five years.

    Failure to comply with the distribution requirement results in an initial penalty tax of 30% of the foundation’s undistributed income (the amount which should have been, but was not, paid out). A foundation has 90 days after notification of its failure to meet the distribution requirement to correct the problem by making additional qualifying distributions. If the foundation does not make the corrective qualifying distributions in a timely manner, Section 4942 imposes an additional tax of 100% of the amount remaining undistributed. Penalties may also be imposed on foundation managers who knowingly approve violations of the applicable requirement.

    • Section 4943 - Excess Business Holdings: A private foundation is prohibited from owning more than specified equity interests in business enterprises, including corporations, partnerships, estates or trusts. While the rules are fairly complex, a private foundation, together with all disqualified persons, generally may not hold more than 20% ownership in a business enterprise. The limit increases to 35% if effective control of the business is in the hands of one or more persons who are not disqualified persons. These rules do not apply if the foundation owns less than 2% of a business, or if the business engages in activities that are substantially related to the foundation’s charitable purposes.

    If a foundation acquires business holdings other than by purchase (i.e., by gift or bequest), and the additional holdings would result in excess holdings, the foundation effectively has five years to reduce those holdings to permissible levels. The IRS can allow an additional five-year period for the disposition of excess business holdings in the case of an “unusually” large gift or bequest.

    The initial tax imposed on a foundation with excess business holdings is 10% of the value of such holdings during the taxable year. The amount of the excess holdings is determined as of the day during the tax year when the foundation’s excess holdings in a business enterprise were the greatest. If the foundation fails to divest itself of the excess holdings within a certain period of time, there is an additional tax of 200% of their value. Penalties may also be imposed on foundation managers who knowingly approve violations of the applicable requirement.

    • Section 4944 - Jeopardy Investments: A private foundation is prohibited from making investments that jeopardize its ability to accomplish its exempt purposes. This prohibition is violated if it is determined that the foundation managers, in making an investment, failed to exercise ordinary business care and prudence, under the facts and circumstances prevailing at the time of making the investment, in providing for the long- and short-term financial needs of the foundation to carry out its exempt purposes. No category of investments is a per se violation of Section 4944, but certain types of investments will be closely scrutinized by the IRS (trading in securities on margin, trading in commodities futures, buying puts, calls and straddles, selling short, etc.). There are exceptions from Section 4944 for investments that are gratuitously transferred to a private foundation and for those that qualify as “program-related” (i.e., where the primary purpose is to achieve a charitable objective rather than to produce income).

    An initial tax of 10% of the amount of the investment is levied on the foundation for any violation of Section 4944. In addition, a 5% tax (up to a maximum of $10,000) may be imposed on the foundation managers who knowingly fail to comply. A second-level tax of 25% may be imposed on the foundation (5% for the foundation manager – up to a maximum of $20,000) if the jeopardy situation is not corrected within a certain period.

    **********

    Now, even if the IRS does not reclassify the Watchtower to a Private Foundation, there is a small trap, of unrelated business income from a controlled corporation. THowever, I think the WTS can get out of this becuase of the exceptions for interest from property used by the controlled coropration (or expected to be used) in the charity's purpose.

    Again, I strongly suspect that this is something tax related. IRS, France, Germany, . .. somewhere, somewhere taxes are driving this decision.

  • straightshooter
    straightshooter

    Disturbingly interesting information. Does that mean that the WTS will own the KHs built instead of the local cong? Wow this changes everything. I heard one elder expressing that this is the best thing the WTS has ever did. But I bet he didn't think about how long this payment system will go on and on, never to end.

  • snare&racket
    snare&racket

    i want to know what the consequences of saying no is, or not meeting the payment levels...

    Jehovah's Witnesses don't pass a collection plate.......they command you to set up a direct debit!

    The second you get baptised, you basically commit to paying HQ as a member! instant debt for no otjer reason than it is commanded by men that intepret the bible to say they can ask that of you AND you may not question their authority.

    if people ignore this red flag, well nothing will shake them awake!

  • Suspicious
    Suspicious

    This is some interesting stuff right heres. Coprate greed at it's best. If they really do hand around the envelopes for a suggestion on how much I can contribute I am going to put down a fairly lardge number an not pay a penny of it. Hopefully when we don't meet the monthly quota and people begin to struggle this will wake them up. This is utter garbage.

  • ABibleStudent
    ABibleStudent

    Why is anyone on JWN surprised by this WTBTS change? Does this mean that WTBTS is now becoming like other religions? I wonder how JWs will spin this new arrangement?

    BTW skeeter1 I like your analysis of why the WTBTS is making the change. The WTBTS avoids taxes and has a continual flow of money.

    Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

    Robert

  • leaving_quietly
    leaving_quietly

    They use 2 Cor 8:12-14 as their biblical stance for this. Let's use our thinking abilities and break this down in context:

    vs. 4: "while they on their own initiative kept earnestly begging us for the privilege of kindly giving, to have a share in the relief ministry for the holy ones." Building Kingdom Halls and Assembly Halls does NOT qualify as a relief ministry. Now, if they were starving or were in need of things necessary for life, that would be something else entirely.

    vs. 10: "And in this I give my opinion". Thus, NOT INSPIRED.

    vs. 12: "For if the readiness is there first, it is especially acceptable according to what a person has, not according to what a person does not have". This is about INDIVIDUALS, not congregations, and it is for individuals to be personally ready to do this, not forced.

    vs. 13: "For I do not want to make it easy for others, but difficult for you". I would agree. This should not be a burden on anyone. Forcing a pledge makes it a burden, especially if the elders are going to do it by way of passing a resolution. Not one hand will go up to ask the appropriate questions, such as: Brothers, the news reports that the Society just made a billion dollars on the sale of their properties in New York and that the Warwick project is costing about $11 million. What's happening with the other $989 million? Why is this burden being put on the congregations when the Society already has a lot of money at their disposal?

    vs. 14: "but that by means of an equalizing, your surplus at the present time might offset their need, so that their surplus might also offset your deficiency, that there may be an equalizing." Again, Paul was addressing their need as a relief, not something considered a luxury.

    Matt 8:20: "Foxes have dens and birds of heaven have nests, but the Son of man has nowhere to lay down his head."

  • Separation of Powers
    Separation of Powers

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