"And yet it moves !"

by Phizzy 20 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  Phizzy

  Galileo is said to have uttered, or probably muttered these words in front of the Inquisition after supposedly having reacanted his teaching that the Solar system is Heliocentric, as his predecessors Kepler and Copernicus had worked out. (and a guy in 3rd century B.C Greece !)

  Why was Galileo unable to go back to his belief held by him in his youth, and nearly all people in Christendom, that the Earth was at the centre of the Solar system and all the Planets revolved around it ?

  Why could he not accept what the Bible and the Church said ? Surely, the Bible was God's word, and the Church God's spokesman ?

  Galileo was unable to go back, because he had the Telescope, and once he had calculated for himself the truth of Copernicus' work, he could not deny the Truth.

  How do you think Galileo would feel and would react if he was "invited" to attend a presentation where everything he knew to be false about the matter, i.e the Geocentric view, were presented as fact and truth ? Even under great pressure from his family, do you think he would attend ?

  This is the position we find ourselves in. We have been given the Telescope that is the Internet, we have proved to ourselves that what the Keplers and the Copernicuses of the XJW world had worked out before us is true.

  We cannot go back to believing the false "geocentric" teachings of the WT, and even though we may get great pressure from our family, we really do not wish to attend a "Presentation" where such views are given as truth.

  Those still in the JW religion, and believing it, are like the contempories of Galileo who held to the Geocentric view, because that is what they had always known, and what the Church taught.

  We, who now know better, can only be thankful for our "Telescope" and our "Keplers and Galileos", and having been freed from ignorance.
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  cantleave

  Yet many still deliberately dismiss facts and live in willful ignorance.
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  Band on the Run

  Do you think it is "willful" when people have no access to other sources of information?
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  done4good

  Band On The Run-Do you think it is "willful" when people have no access to other sources of information?

  It is not exactly either willfill or not. It is mostly fear of having their worldview found to be false. Unfornately, this is a very human response.

  d4g
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  Xanthippe

  Very true and even though losing family and friends to the cult is very painful at least we don't have the threat of being tortured to death by the Roman Inquisition unless we recant, which was what Galileo faced.

  The pertinent point for many faders here, I feel, is that Galileo did recant publicly to save his life but privately he continued to believe in heliocentrism. He didn't have a scientifically enlightened world to go out to in his world dominated by the Catholic church but we have reality and freedom waiting for us when we leave the cult. However if you can get out with your family intact using intelligent strategy why wouldn't you?
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  KateWild

  Many meeting nights I am at a loss at what to do. I want to reconnect with loved ones and sometimes feel drawn to them. But as soon as I think about the KH and the RI process I feel nauseous. I would never return to the hypocrisy of it all.

  Happily one of my loved ones contacted me, she has stopped going. So I feel drawn to her and don't have to face the KH to have a friendship with her.

  Kate xx
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  cultBgone

  Phizzy, nicely thought out, thanks for sharing. Helps to remember that those still "in" have not found their telescopes yet.

  Kate, so happy for your loved one who has seen TTATT, and so happy for you to have her companionship.

  (((hugs)))
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  Heaven

  Back in Galileo's time, the religionists believe the heavens to be static, unchanging, even though the evidence said otherwise. Regarding religion, not much has changed since then.
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  prologos

  Of course every time Galileo, COULD have attend a meeting with old-light teachers (he was under house arrest). he

  Would have learned more by pondering the mistakes taught. He would have understand BETTER perhaps, that the earth not only MOVES [around the sun] but also ROTATES, and that the false old-light ideas came from the observations resulting from the ROTAtION, i.e. the Sun RISING and the Moon and tides RISING, that bolstered the earth-centered idea, that made the 'fixed'- heavens APOSTACY counter-intuitive.

  similarly. by sitting there and observing the "talking snake, 1914,--- talks, we can deepen our understanding how wrong these people are and where we can hone our understanding of reality,

  like Galileo, observing the effects of Earth ROTATION, not orbit, on the swing of the church chandeliers. meeting - time well, meaningfull spent.

  great topic.
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  cantleave

  Do you think it is "willful" when people have no access to other sources of information?

  Not at all. But when people deny things like evolution when the facts are freely available to them are indeed being willfully ignorant.