The Dark Side Of Time

by frankiespeakin 81 Replies latest jw friends

  • KateWild
    KateWild

    DJS,

    You took the words right out of my mouth. I am no physicist, so I can't join in the conversation on a physics level. They both seem to be attacking one another for arguments sake.

    As far as lurkers are concerned this does not help newly awakened ones find their way. It probably makes them even more scared to express their opinions. WT is a unsafe place to express our true opinions, JWs come here to freely express their thoughts and feelings. Villagegirl and Viviane have made this thread a hostile place for a newbie to express themselves.

    Such a shame.

    Kate xx

  • Viviane
    Viviane

    Thanks for the compliment, DJS.

    It was actually never a fight because you half right. I do know what I am talking about, Village Girl is simply arguing about a fundamental component of relativity she doesn't understand a doing a cut-n-paste barrage along with insults hoping to shut others up.

    The fundamental issue is that I pointed out that space and time are the same thing, much like electricity and magnetism or energy and matter. That concept is a key foundational underpinning of both general and special relativity. That is what village girl is arguing about, so it it's very very clear that she does NOT grasp what she is cutting and pasting and insulting people about. It would be no different that someone claiming to have a degree in math yet not know what Cantor's theorem is or how sets works.

    So, to put this to bed, rather that let village girl hang herself by not showing me hers, I'll show everyone mine.

    So, from Einsteins own paper that village girl linked to:

    From this it follows that, in respect of its role in the equations of physics, though not with regard to its physical significance, time is equivalent to the space co-ordinates (apart from the relations of reality). From this point of view, physics is, as it were, a Euclidean geometry of four dimensions, or, more correctly, a statics in a four-dimensional Euclidean continuum.

    From chapter 2 of Stephen Hawking's "A Brief History of Time":

    There is no need to introduce the idea of an ether, whose presence anyway cannot be detected, as the Michelson-Morley experiment showed. The theory of relativity does, however, force us to change fundamentally our ideas of space and time. We must accept that time is not completely separate from and independent of space, but is combined with it to form an object called space-time.

    Now, I could go on and on, but the point is proven.

  • Viviane
    Viviane

    You took the words right out of my mouth. I am no physicist, so I can't join in the conversation on a physica level. They both seem to be attacking one another for arguments sake.

    I can't speak for village girl, but I am in the business of promoting science, not psuedoscience woo BS. I don't know or care enough about her to attack her.

    As far as lurkers are concerned this does not help newly awakened ones find their way. It probably makes them even more scared to express their opinions. WT is a unsafe place to express our true opinions, JWs come here to freely express their thoughts and feelings. Villagegirl and Viviane have made this thread a hostile place for a newbie to express themselves.

    You're not the thread hall monitor so please stop telling us how people would feel since you don't and can't know that. Because you are admittedly ignorant of the subject, it's an issue of expressing a thought or opinion or feeling, it's a matter of "This is factually and demonstrably incorrect and is being promoted as true and right".

    It comes back down to pseudosceince and woo. I'm just not going to let it pretend to be real science.

  • KateWild
    KateWild

    Viviane,

    Your desire to prove you are right about space and time is more powerful than your desire to help anyone. Why are you here on this site?

    Kate xx

  • Viviane
    Viviane

    Sorry Kate, you don't get to tell me what my desires and motivations are OR question why I am here. You aren't my mom, you aren't an admin and you aren't in charge. So, none of your business, essentially.

  • KateWild
    KateWild

    You're not the thread hall monitor so please stop telling us how people would feel since you don't and can't know that. - Viviane

    This is very agressive, when I was a lurker I was intimidated by posters like you. In fact I feel intimidated by you now. You have never comented on my threads that are of a personal nature, or seem to care about people that post here for help. I find you to be an unpleasant poster. You enjoy belittling people and you don't seem to care how people feel.

  • KateWild
    KateWild

    So, none of your business, essentially.-Viviane

    You obviously don't care about the negative impact your posts have on others. You have upset me, and I find you very agressive indeed.

  • prologos
    prologos

    The dark side of VIVIAN,-- not time-- might be her purpose, not self-vindication*, but to DARKEN and to DISRUPT,

    the thing that a saboteur from 'you know who' would find to be a perfect strategy.

    time will tell. on the dark side.

    * which would be a minor compulsive character flaw

  • Viviane
    Viviane

    Great, but that still doesn't mean you know how OTHER people feel, that was point. I have no idea why you would feel intimidated by me now or care about whether or not I have commented on your threads.

    I really don't care wat your opinion of me is. It's nice for you, I suppose, that you have one, but, again, you don't get to tell me what my motivations or thoughts are, so please stop.

  • Viviane
    Viviane

    Hi Prologos! I hope you are having a lovely day!

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