by blondie 24 Replies latest jw friends
Question:
Did this wt article say that all the conflict will be finished before the 'WEDDING'?
will the raptured 'anointed' not only do combat duty at Armageddon, but also at the subduing of 'satan' BEFORE the nuptials?
Rom 16:20: " --crush satan under YOUR feet shortly--"
Shortly ? after the expiration of the overlapping generation?
SHORTLE ! def: laugh gleefully.
double-post, shaky hand.
the audience was very apathetic, about this abstract subject, badly thought through.
12, 13. (a) When will the marriage of the Lamb take place? (b) In heaven, who will rejoice over the marriage of the Lamb?
12 As anointed Christians finish their earthly course during Christ’s presence, they are resurrected to heavenly life. Sometime after the destruction of Babylon the Great, Jesus will gather to himself all the remaining members of the bride class. (1 Thess. 4:16, 17) Before the outbreak of the war of Armageddon, therefore, all members of the “bride” will be in heaven. After that war, the marriage of the Lamb can take place. What a joyful occasion that marriage will be! “Happy are those invited to the evening meal of the Lamb’s marriage,” states Revelation 19:9. Happy indeed will be the 144,000 members of the bride class. And the Bridegroom-King will be overjoyed to have the total number of his royal associates symbolically ‘eating and drinking with him at his table in his Kingdom.’ (Luke 22:18, 28-30) However, rejoicing over the marriage of the Lamb will not be limited to the Bridegroom and his bride.
Peace and security cry
Destruction of Babylon the Great (start of GT)
Marriage of the bride
jws attacked on earth by Satan using humans
End of GT - Armageddon starts and ends with the destruction of all non-jws on earth and the abyssing of Satan/demons
thank, you blondie, so:
we have to assume that the wt writers have left this gem of new-light questions untouched. but
Paul seem to indicate that the 144 k will 'put their foot down' up there' prior to the ceremony.
blondie, your wt citation shows that the writers state that the 'anointed bride' are in heaven BEFORE Armageddon, but that the wedding is after that battle.
does it LUMP the battle IN with the abyssing?
With regard to Zechariah 8:23 (referred to in paragraph 14) I posted research about that here and here.
The Society applies its fulfillment to the great crowd of Revelation 7. Paul applied it to "ordinary people or unbelievers" in 1 Corinthians 14:23-25.
Numerous sub-links to research on the great crowd here (Connections with Abrahamic & New Covenant & being anointed themselves).
How does revelation refer to an earthly courtyard of a spiritual temple? This article seems to be stretching.
After their marriage, Christ and his Kingdom associates will bestow untold blessings upon the inhabitants of the earth.—
Well, let's see here...any 'Kingdom associates' mentioned in the cited scriptures?
Rev 7:17: "because the Lamb,+ who is in the midst* of the throne, will shepherd them+ and will guide them to springs* of waters of life.+ And God will wipe out every tear from their eyes.”+
No. Not there. Maybe it's in Rev. 21:1-4:
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth;+ for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away,+ and the sea+ is no more. 2 I also saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God+ and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.+ 3 With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: “Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his people. And God himself will be with them.+ 4 And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes,+ and death will be no more,+ neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore.+ The former things have passed away.”
They mention New Jerusalem, but no 'Kingdom associates' bestowing blessings on anybody. Huh. Looks like God and Jesus will be the ones bestowing blessings, not anyone else. Well, that's odd. So how does that support the point here, that
Christ and his Kingdom associates will bestow untold blessings upon the inhabitants of the earth
? Well, looks like it doesn't. Alright, then.
--sd-7
But we will focus on a very special wedding—a royal one at that. Just imagine! It has been in preparation for about 2,000 years.
When I first read this, I thought maybe the delay was because the cake just kept going bad every few days or so, since refrigeration hadn't been invented yet when this wedding was first planned. Now I realize, it was the dress--they keep having to expand the dress size for the new anointed people that keep coming in. That has got to be one frustrated tailor, let me tell you.
Paragraph 3:
Read Psalm 45:8, 9. The Bridegroom, Jesus Christ, puts on his glorious royal wedding garments. Fittingly, his attire gives off a delightful fragrance like that of “the choicest perfumes,” such as myrrh and cassia, which were among the ingredients of the holy anointing oil used in Israel.—
Please tell me this paragraph had a kid raise his hand and answer, "JESUS SMELLS GOOD."
Paragraph 4:
the heavenly part of God’s organization, which includes “the daughters of kings,” that is, the holy angels
So...there are going to be a lot of angry angels up in heaven about now. They got just turned into females for some reason. Talk about a serious, serious stretch here. Maybe Psalm 45 just doesn't mean what you think it means, you know?
Paragraph 5:
She is a composite bride made up of the members of the congregation headed by Jesus Christ.
Okay, so then, question for Jehovah's Witnesses: WHAT CONGREGATION ARE YOU IN? Because you're not in the congregation headed by Jesus Christ, since you're not part of the bride--they just said it right there in print. Uh oh...so you must be in the congregation headed by the bride, then... Not part of the Christian congregation = not really Christians at all...
Paragraph 7:
Christ has been preparing his future bride for the heavenly wedding. The apostle Paul explained that Christ “loved the congregation and gave himself up for it, in order that he might sanctify it, cleansing it with the bath of water by means of the word, so that he might present the congregation to himself in its splendor, without a spot or a wrinkle or any of such things, but holy and without blemish.”
So then, since most JWs aren't part of this congregation, Christ doesn't love them and didn't give himself up for them? No, it doesn't say that, but aren't we forced to draw this conclusion? How does that not apply to MOST PEOPLE WHO ARE CHRISTIANS?
Paragraph 11:
Finally, the Warrior-King will complete his conquest by abyssing Satan and his demons, reducing them to a state of deathlike inactivity
Actually, that's not a complete conquest, because they're not only still alive, they'll actually succeed in luring many thousands more to destruction once they're let out. Hardly what I would call finishing the job...
Paragraph 14:
These loyal companions of the anointed Christians have purified their lives, becoming spiritual virgins
Huh. That sounds oddly familiar. Wonder why. Is it Rev. 14:3-5, maybe?
And they are singing what seems to be a new song+ before the throne and before the four living creatures+ and the elders,+ and no one was able to master that song except the 144,000,+ who have been bought from the earth. 4 These are the ones who did not defile themselves with women; in fact, they are virgins.+ These are the ones who keep following the Lamb no matter where he goes.+ These were bought+ from among mankind as firstfruits+ to God and to the Lamb, 5 and no deceit was found in their mouths; they are without blemish
And here I thought being spiritual virgins was limited to the 144,000! Silly me!
--sd-7
the heavenly part of God’s organization, which includes “the daughters of kings,” that is, the holy angels
PLEASE EXPLAIN: If the angels are the daughters of kings as the great GB/FDS/WT tell us, Who are the Kings???????
if you want to find the kings,
look for the fathers of offspring with wings,
only in wt land, eh?
