I still can't get over how we bought the bs about how 7 conventions during the 1920's were the fulfilment of the 7 trumpet blasts of Revelation! Holy sh*t. How braain dead can a person be?
Just saying!
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China To Be Number 1 This Year ! OMG!
by metatron 35 Replies latest jw friends
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kaik
Every society experience rise and fall. USA is not different. In the past, Roman, Persian, Mongol, or British empire had failed. This century belongs to China. However, it is foolish to think that China is not invincible. It had experienced several collapses and dark ages. Nonetheless, I would not write off USA or Europe. Both worlds possess technology, captial and enterpreutical spirit. Europe since 1250 was wealthier than any other contemporary civilization until 1945 when its hegemony was overtaken by USA. BRIC countries are still developing. Russia has lower economic output per capita than Poland. Iran, Indonesia, or Venezuela are 3rd world countries
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DJS
Kalk,
Met has an obession with the imminent military and economic demise of the U.S./British/Israel triad, as seen by previous posts. I've ignored this one until now. At least he is trying to find 'better' sources for his shallow rants. The only thing I would say to Met is to google a 360 degree perspective of the topic. Start by researching "the potential problems associated with the Chinese economy." There are very good sources (The Economist, etc.) which, while not discounting what 1.4 billion people can do when martialed in one direction, suggest major roadblocks ahead. Having studied and taught economics at the college level, I've posted some of this before on Met's threads (I don't think he listens).
His compulsion to head to the keyboard upon finding yet another one sided, shallow, non-intellectual 'source' for economic or military projections is the real problem. The dual power is a Dub construct; it means nothing in the real world (although the Brits, U.S. and Israelis share a lot of military technological advances, keeping them WAY ahead of everyone else).
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Ocean1111
It makes sense the "7th King" has to fold in a national sense to an "8th King" world power. Another Bethel error in creating the delusion "the 7th and 8th King rule at the same time". But China's national trend of dominance is tied to that US and EU economic, financial and monetary abruption, so at national scale they are also in ultimate jeopardy to the teetering Anglo-American national system weaknesses.
What people do not plainly see is the international scale of power networked over all the national level financial systems. That is the one whose Anglo-American debt is it's international "master creditor" system strength, and China is part of that global scale network. Everyone talks about the EU and US national sovereign debt, but few discuss the network that owns that debt, including the Federal Reserve system, and it's international clone.
The 8th King system is that distributed credit and finance system in part, and in spite of national sovereign debt, the control that gives the global system is it's direct relationship in leverage. The international system is at an all time perfect position to leverage it's ownership of that debt, against a nation-state finance network that is basically by the numbers heading for "foreclosure" and "recievership", and part of that power structure is in the foreign international level systems like China's.
Thus American national debt folding to "China" in economic decline, is actually folding to the 8th King distrbuted system, centralizing global wealth power to the international system. China will have to also become subservient to that system to maintain their trajectory, but ultimately it is an 8th King international ascension that will eclipse China as well. The turbulence of such a shift will be great, but manageable, even if it sparks another cold or hot war globally. If it does, world war merely accelerates the process, like in the three previous cycles including the Cold War.
Thus the "7th King" is set-up for a fall, and so is the nationl network tied to it. The international "8th King" power system is what will dominate, China and Russia are programmed by the math of the financial element, to also eventually capitualte to the far stronger international power order.
Don't expect that over night, even pawning the Middle East 100%, a prerequisite of it all, will take some years and doing, unless a new "big stick" war technology emerges as well, which may be the case. China's ascension is merely more proof the 7th King is declining and cannot reverse it by simply printing more money. It as a"quantitiative easing" to soften the blow of the rock bottom, that is all, the bottom is on the way. But so is 8th King recovery systems ready to internationalize the finance and monetary system.
Bethel is so backward they cannot even tell the 7th King naional systems must indeed fall to form an actual "8th King" system. They cannot tell that fall will not be the utter "end of the world" but the BEGINNING of the final 8th King ascension to world government, world peace and actual world recovery on that new governmental and financial order. One would get better insight from Neanderthal "Kings", than from the Lords of Bethel.
The "great tribulation" is the 7th world power system nation-state deposition, not into utter destruction, but into 8th King world peace. The "tribulation", like WW1, WW2, and Cold WW3, will result again in a UN presentation as world government and world "peace and security". That too would be news at the Bethel glacier. But that is what we are seing beginning none the less.
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DJS
Dear freaking god Oceans, are you really trying to tie the current economic system in with Revelation? And I suppose you have special knowledge that is much better than the GB's or the other fundy preachers who spew Revelation meaning nonsense. WTF??? Is this a joke or did you mean this nonsense? Everyone else's failed predictions and prophecies about the 7 kings aside, YOU have special knowledge about what it all means? Geesh. I really need to leave this site. I can't freaking believe you just posted this crap.
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metatron
Shallow? It's good you are familiar with that word, DJS.
The story about China's potential ascension has now appeared on NBC, the Financial Times and Business Insider. It's officially mainstream.
And speaking of shallow, it isn't just China, it's the ascension of the BRICS ALLIANCE.
And if you bother to do a "360" on Google, you'll find out that much of your objection ignores present developments - as with Russia and China doing joint military drills or China and India talking peace and economic ties or Brazil rejecting US jets because they're angry about US spying.
And Israel? The BDS movement is rolling right along, complete with Kerry's comment about apartheid. The US can't even get Israel to go along with condemnation of Crimea as ties are fraying.
If you care to be specific , I've got reams of info and links to sites in defense.
As with this latest development relative to my previous posts on this topic, I'd say the trend is my friend.
No need to take my word for it, though...... much more is coming.
metatron
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DJS
Met,
I LIVE these topics. Every day. No one in their right mind would ignore or minimize the Asian economic tsunami led by China. That is not the point I made this time or the last few when you have posted tepid comments. Anything they do will make a huge wave - there are 1.4 - 1.6 billiion Chinese and nearly a billion Indians. But the very real problems associated with these two nations and their economies and cultures alone would make any rational, sane person avoid making grandiose projections. Do your homework. Then we can discuss.
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DJS
Met,
A few months ago one of the posters, I think it was FullTimeStudent but don’t hold me to that, posted several OP on the Chinese economic miracle. A lot of us, myself included, posted rational comments in response. I didn’t understand FTS’ reasons but then a few weeks ago they posted that they were leaving for a long-planned trip to China. That made all of the other posts make sense.
You, on the other hand Met, have already shown your cards about why you post to these topics; for some reason you seem to have a deep and abiding hatred for the U.S./British/Israel economic and military position in the world. When you think you have found a nugget suggesting the imminent demise of any of these entities, your posts drip with glee and spite.
Your hatred belongs to you; only you understand it. However, it colors your perspective and leads you to obsess and compulse it to this site, typically in a non-veiled rant. You are trying your best to hide your loathing in this post, but we already know how you feel.
Your posts haven’t a rip to do with China or its economy. I’m assuming you aren’t Chinese and it is clear you aren’t an economist and haven’t had any training in it. If a colony of little blue Martians was able to thrive on this planet and you found one, just one, article suggesting the little blue guys (even if they clealry had derision for people who chose self important screen names to hide the fact that they had otherwise never accomplished anything) were about to supplant your hated U.S/British/Israeli triad, you would first orgasm all over yourself and then head immediately to the keyboard and this site.
My last word to you on this OP and any future ones like it: Serious economists, both in this country, around the globe AND in China, both academics and government employed alike,have major concerns about a number of potential landmines ahead for the Chinese.
As for India? The problems with India are legend, including social, religious, political and corruption. They are at best several generations away from addressing these problems to the point where any serious economist would suggest they can maintain a thriving world class economy. If at all. Many of these same problems exist in China. They may solve them all; I’m hoping they do.
But riding an economic wave and developing a sustainable long term thriving economy which can adjust to changing world conditions is not an easy task. Right now the best ones have established a very good balance of socialism and Darwinian capitalism, and they are almost all located in N. Europe and the Scandinavian countries. And even these countries are re-visiting some of the social programs. These countries have been on the ‘happiest countries’ list for years. There is a reason for this. The U.S. is right behind them but has allowed the disparity between the haves and have nots to rise to troubling levels. Unless this is addressed, the U.S. will continue its slide. I'm not "Solomonesque" enough to know hot to 'fix' the problem, but few believe it doesn't need fixing. In the meantime I suggest getting a good text on Economics, including macro, micro and global economic theory and practical application. And google Adam Smith.
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redvip2000
China a cash rich country and yes they have a huge GDP, but that does not mean it is a super power, or that it will become one in the near future. Even on a financial level, on a per-capita basis, is well below the US and it will take many years to surpass that.
Being a super power is not only about having money. Power is defined along many dimensions, and by most political, military, strategic and cultural measures, China is a great but not global power. For now, it lacks the intellectual ambition to set the global agenda.
China is, in essence, a very narrow-minded, self-interested, realist state, seeking only to maximize its own national interests and power. It cares little for global governance and enforcing global standards of behavior (except its much-vaunted doctrine of noninterference in the internal affairs of countries). Its economic policies are mercantilist and its diplomacy is passive. China is also a lonely strategic power, with no allies and experiencing distrust and strained relationships with much of the world.
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metatron
Redvip, your post is worth addressing.
You are correct that China is (and will be ) a very different superpower. However, I think you may be making a defect out of very attractive virtue here.
The American people are fed up with useless costly wars and approval of Congress in particular is at the lowest level ever. Meanwhile, other nations are tired of being told what to do by an arrogant empire. The near rape of an Indian diplomat by police was astonishing. Brazil continues to be angry about the NSA. And Russia is drawing closer to China - despite the predictions of so-called experts.
The net result of all this is that more and more nations will reject US hegemony and accept the help of a nation that minds its own business. In addition, as the Yuan replaces the Dollar as the reserve currency, the US will NOT be able to fund its adventures with green pieces of paper that are IOU's. The days of the US being the world's policeman are coming to an end for multiple reasons.
metatron