So I just heard this today at the meeting. Honestly I've never really paid much attention too it, but I know it's out of place. Can anyone shed some factual and historical light on this subject?
Humans have been on the earth for 6,000 years?
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fakefading
Earth is about 4.55 billion years old.
Archeologists estimate that modern humans have been on the Earth for about 100,000 years.
PBS Source = http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/faq/cat06.html
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kaik
Look into distribution of human race during interglacier period in Europe which was between 33,000 and 18000 years ago. These humans lived in Europe when glacier retreated and warmer period ushered migration northward where large mammals like mammoth lived. The 19th century named them simply mammoth hunters, but this is not correct definition in present standard. The culture and traces can be identified in pottery and artifacts, from which are most famous venus like Venus of Willendorf from Austria. Throughout Europe dozens of such statues were recovered. The mammoth hunters disappeared during last glacier period when ice shield covered much of the northern and central Europe until 10000 BC. This period was also followed by extinction of mammoths and large predators like sabertooth cat. When glacier melted and retreated, new flora and forest biome appeared in Europe with different mammals and different population. The interglacial period is very easy traced and documented throughout Europe and only could appear between 10000BC and 18000BC.
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James Brown
History began 5,514 years ago. In Sumer.
Before that time is prehistory.
Man just appeared and started writing and doing math and building things.
in Sumer 3500 years ago. The people were called Sumerians.
Because there was no history before the begining of history, pre-history is conjecture, guessing,
assuming.
That is why there is a debate and controversy over God, the bible, creation and evolution.
Everyone has the same evidence and everyone interprets it differently.
If you don't believe in God or the bible, then the earth is old.
If you believe in God and the bible the earth could be young.
But no matter what you believe, history starts less than 6,000 years ago.
Before that is prehistory and conjecture. An opinon bassed on incomplete information.
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the girl next door
The Omo remains are a collection of hominidbones discovered between 1967 and 1974 at the Omo Kibish sites near the Omo River, inOmo National Park in south-westernEthiopia. The bones were recovered by a scientific team from the Kenya National Museums directed by Richard Leakey and others. The remains from Kamoya's Hominid Site (KHS) were called Omo 1 and those from Paul's Hominid Site (PHS) Omo 2.
Parts of the fossils are the earliest to have been classified by Richard Leakey as Homo sapiens. In 2004, the geologic layers around the fossils were dated, and the authors of the dating study concluded that the "preferred estimate of the age of the Kibish hominids is 195 ± 5 ka [thousand years ago]", which would make the fossils the oldest knownHomo sapiens remains.In a 2005 article on the Omo remains, Nature magazine said that, because of the fossils' age, Ethiopia is the current choice for the "cradle of Homo sapiens".
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cofty
Everyone has the same evidence and everyone interprets it differently. - James B
Utter nonsense. The evidence for the activity of modern humans in Europe 35 000 years ago is totally beyond sensible dispute...
Before that we can find Homo sapiens in Africa and Asia going back over 100 000 years
Pretending the bible has anything to tell us about life's history of origins is indefensible in an age of knowledge.
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bohm
In japan there are very old lakes. In the summer there is growth of one type of plancton and in the winter of another type of plancton of a different colour. When the plancton dies, it fall to the bottom of the lake to form very thin layers. Along with plancton, twigs, leafs and small dead animals also fall to the bottom of the lake and get sandwhiched within these layers.
Scientists have drilled a hole in the bottom of the lake and counted about 50'000 layers of differently coloured plancton. They have then Carbon-14 dated small twigs and leafs found at different depth. The carbon-14 dating of the twigs agree (within the uncertainty in C14 dating) with the number of annual layers counted from the top.
How can that be squared with a biblical view on human history? One need a scenario for which *at the same time*
1) By some mysterious effect, creationists are unable to agree upon which, Carbon-14 dating gets thrown off by about 40'000 years in recent history.
2) About 5000 years ago, in the japanese lakes, tens of thousands of very fine layers formed within about a thousand years. What caused the growth seasons of plancton to shorten in this way remain unknown. The flood might have happened at some point but did not leave any trace.
3) By chance these two effects conspired to cancel each other out such that it *seem* they both support the same ancient dates for Carbon-14.
James Brown:
If you don't believe in God or the bible, then the earth is old.
If you believe in God and the bible the earth could be young.
Have it ever occured to you that the rest of us try to figure out what the evidence is and then form our oppinion? You know, that whole post-medival way to go about thinking. Your arguments is no more sensible than sayins:
If you do not believe in Thor, then lightning is an electromagnetic phenomena
If you believe in Thor, lightning is not an electromagnetic phenomena.
ie. you are confusing your state of belief with the state of the world.
But no matter what you believe, history starts less than 6,000 years ago.
I am sure the native people of australia will not be pleased to know they suddenly popped into existence from a state of conjecture and speculation around the time europeans "discovered" australia a few hundred years ago.
Which method used to date artifacts 6000 years old do you accept and can you explain how that same method mysteriously fail when applied to, say, a 7000 yeard old artifact from a agricultural civilization?
Before that is prehistory and conjecture. An opinon bassed on incomplete information.
Interesting. Can you explain something about all those ancient historical sources that date back to the time of moses and document those parts of the bible you do not find to be based on incomplete information? Certainly it is not the case an ancient event become "historical" if someone happens to write about it a thousand year later.
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James Brown
I got my information from reading history books.
"The history of the world" by J.M. Roberts
and "A little history of the World" by E. H Gombrich
It seems to me that mankinds view of the world before Sumer is called "pre-history"
Before history was written, there is no record that is why it is called prehistory.
If there is no written record of things then what happened before history has to be based on opinion and conjecture.
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designs
Tools, villages, art work all predate Adam.
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notsurewheretogo
No written record prior to 5,000 years ago means it is opinion and conjecture? HOW? There are vast amounts of lines of evidence that are not "written word" that prove to be true...
And written word about something doesn't mean it itself is 100% true and accurate either!