snare&racket - "...about half of the JW's kids staying and getting baptised and nothing more."
Less than half, actually.
It is so obviously a lie......now
by snare&racket 52 Replies latest watchtower scandals
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Vidiot
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XkhanX
You are spot on. Thanks for the clear analytics and imagery, esp about gambling. That what the RC this year will take about. We all want it to be true, sadly...it's based on a lie. "paradise earth" is not found in the bible, but was mix-match from different scriptures. Many paradise scriptures are from poetic n books of songs, Psalms, Issiah, which specifically described the happy condition of those return from Babylon captivity. Did Jesus ever taught abt petting Tiger & lions in paradise? Bros n sisters still in , think! We all want paradise to be truth,sad to admit it, WT is propagating a lie that Jesus n Jehovah never intended to say.
Dear snare&racket, can i repost yr comments on my blog site as I like it a lot? I will quote you and give you due credits. Hope you don!t mind.
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scarredforlife
Yes shame on the WT society, but also shame on us, on the people that taught it us ......and the quicker people say enough is enough and leave, the better for many. If you have kids in the religion, really there is no reason good enough on earth to keep them in it... get them out before they lose another day.
So true.
Great thread.
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snare&racket
xkhan , of course, don't worry about credit. But do me a favour, fix up my terrible grammar and spelling! lol
snare x
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cha ching
Snare & R: your analogy of the gambling, addiction & "too much time invested to walk away" does "hit the WT nail on the head" (haha Lois ;-)
Done4Good: never thought of it that way, but I am sure it will help: both addicts (children born of addict mothers & adults who have become addicts) have the same need, you can't tell one from the other... both need the high... and from what I have seen, I do think a major life trajedy breaks up the unreality, the "drug" isn't working for them any more.... The "drug" just made things worse. "Hey, I don't want this, I don't need this, I wasn't really feeling that great after all.... and I paid a lot of time and money into it..... I am 'walking away from the slot machine, and leaving the hamster wheel.'"
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label licker
How true! About the gambling, it took me no more than fifteen minutes to win $2,400.00 and I was hooked. It was hard to leave the building once the gambling fever had set in. I swore to myself that was my first and last time I would go into a casino. Wish it would have been that easy to do the same with the cult but every time a new and improved reward was thrown at us, we would stay for another round. That watchtower wheel never stopped spinning out new and improved winnings/losts.
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KateWild
Snare,
Really great post. I can really resonate with it. I suppose I am still under the spell in a way, I know I haven't fully broken free although I want to. I know I need to do something pro active to move on from WT and post less on JWN.
My friend who has left still believes it's "The truth", so she is under the spell more so than me. I am slowly trying to teach her TTATT, but it's a delicate exercise. I have to take it slowly.
It's a process of recovery.
Kate xx
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twice shy
Very insightful.
we all kinda knew it was b.s., we all knew there was a spell on our thought processes and we could have worked harder to leave earlier.
I'll never forget studying out of the Live Forever book and questioning 607 BCE, the seventy weeks, and some kinda tree prophecy. I don't rember all the specifics, but I do recall vividly my bible conductor telling me it would become clear to me as I grew spiritually while receiving more and more of Jehovah's holy spiritand Who didn't want to pleasing to Jehovah?
I was strongly thinking of a Math major at the time and the numbers just didn't add up. You get so caught up in trying to please GOD by progressing spiritually that you never stop to think that if I change my mind or make a mistake before baptisim I will be unannounced.
Your just looking forward to arriving at that next spiritual level as you are unknowingly moving out of reality and closer and closer into fantasy land.
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snare&racket
Everybody wants to be the person with the *special* information..... conspiracy theories tickle the ego, "I know something you don't know! something BIG!"
Hence we were eager to believe a unique message that made us 'special'. In reality the special message changes wildly over time, which puts perspective on the message we were given.
The 'truths' I was told in the 80's are now 'old light', or to the un-brainwashed...no longer the 'truth'. So that special feeling of having special knowledge, was nothing more than .........a feeling. The actual knowledge, is now considered valueless and incorrect. Man, they even edit it all out the old literature or have them glue edited paragraphs over the older ones.
New light! what a simple, unscriptural and yet effective lie! As if god would lie or decieve or allow mistakes to prevail at all! That would negate the right to punish people that left who recognised the numerous errors and wrong information. The idea of coming out of a cave and not being blinded by light works as a story,, but not in respect to what it is supposed to represent i.e. god providing information. Of course he could provide correct information all at once! He supposedly did, the bible! To claim what 8 men think about who the king of the north is and his significance has developed over time as god believes is appropriate ....is just a shit excuse for being wrong numerous times! 8 men cant decide what 'generation' means and they blame god for keeping them in the dark ....until now lol...until they change its meaning AGAIN.
it is laughable and again I cant believe I fell for it! How ridiculous!
But it felt good to be TOLD we were getting special NEW information. The blood brochure in the 80's specifically says 'no blood fractions' but 20 years later when new light says 'god has lovingly allowed us freedom to choose blood fractions' is met with "wow" and people saying"look at us progress as s religion!". It all makes sense in that regard, they sold us a feeling and we bought into it. The WT appeals to our ego's and human wants, human needs. Without an ounce to show for anything they promise in 150 years.... it is amazing people fall for it. But they do. People even DIED for what is now..old light.
How shameful!
Just as JW's are willing to think that the billions of religious people, not JW's can be so convinced yet so wrong.... it says much about their self reflection and need to believe that they NEVER consider their own vulnerability to make the exact same error as the muslims, catholics, protestants, hindus, buddhists...
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DJS
Snare,
First, why are you still awake? It's what, 1:15 a.m. your time? Second, excellent analysis. "New Light" is no different than miracles and saints and bleeding/crying Jesuses, which appeal to the base emotions of the flock. You all have heard me rant about that. Feelings are the lowest, followed quickly by beliefs. That's why they are so effective in keeping the blind, blind and the trapped, trapped. The Borgians keenly look forward to 'new light," and the Dark Lords in the Tower know it. Even on this site, the number of 'views' on any topic related to 'this just in' about the Borg results in the highest number of 'Views" of any other type of post. Addicted to it.