Should the society be sued for fraud?

by sleepy 12 Replies latest jw friends

  • sleepy
    sleepy

    I've posted a similiar subject before , but read yesturday that Scientologists in France were sued for fraudulent preaching methods by the government (The article did not state what the fraud was) and fined. The scientologist complained and said they were just practising their religion.

    I love those French, they see straight through dodgy religions.

    So should we try and sue the society , for say withholding vital information to new members about their past and other such things, and not being open and honest about what happens when you leave.?
    Prehaps the french can try it first.

  • Celia
    Celia

    Sueing is an american pasttime, not so usual in France.
    But the French are watching a lot of american movies and TV shows...

  • blondie
    blondie

    To sue a large institution like the WTS, sleepy, deep pockets (lots of money) are required. As is illustrated in the case in Calgary, the father is finding that he cannot begin to compete with the WTS as far as funds go.

  • dmouse
    dmouse

    Bon Jour Sleepy!

    How was the holiday in France? Did you see any French JWs?

  • CornerStone
    CornerStone

    I think they should be sued for misrepresenting the status of baptismal candidates who just took the plunge.

    They are NOT told that any and every thought and action not in agreement with the watchtower society can be punishable by disfellowshipping and then shunning, ( possible loss of family, friends, job, nice future, etc., )

    Their flagrant missrepresentation of the conditions within the org could be viewed, ( by a jury,hopfully ), as willful deception. There is NO freedom of thought without punishment. There is no understanding the Bible without the Orwellian wretchtower telling you what to think. You WILL sacrifice your life and the lives of your family upon the direction of ANY doctrine we come up with. Disobey ANY of our directives and you will die a HORRIBLE death with the eyes of you and your children pecked out and rotting in their sockets at armageddon.

    I'm sure some hot shot lawyer or group of lawyers could come up with something. :)

    CornerStone

  • sleepy
    sleepy

    Bon jour DM,

    Yes , we stayed in a flat by the sea with my wifes mother, who's a witness, and my wife hasn't told her we don't go any more, she still thinks I'm an MS!

    Good thing I don't speak much french as we could have had some problems.
    I was asked to say a prayer though over dinner which was quite funny.

    Shes coming to stay with us soon and will expect to go to the meeting with us.
    Now that will be fun.

  • Francois
    Francois

    I don't know about fraud, but I think they might be sued for BREACH OF PROMISE, and I think they also might be sued for ALIENATION OF AFFECTION.

    I spoke once to Ray Franz about this. I asked if he knew if anyone had successfully sued the Borg. At the time, he didn't. And I don't know if this has changed in the fifteen years it's been since I spoke to him.

    But remember, the tobacco industry hadn't been successfully sued either until here recently. Society and its norms DO effect the judiciary system, even if the laws haven't advanced fast enough to keep pace with a fast-moving society. One day soon, especially after the Dateline piece, someone may indeed be successful in suing the Borg.

    I truly believe that anyone suing the Borg should definitely ask for a jury trial. The jury can participate in "jury nullification" if that is their desire. That is, the jury can disregard the applicable law if it wants to. The judge will instruct the jury that this is not appropriate, but it is. Judges don't want juries to even know they have such a right, but they do. This is another reason why you hardly ever see any really intelligent people on a jury. Judges and especially attorneys don't want anyone on the jury capable of thinking for themselves. They want to tell the jury what to think. That's why there are so many retired janitors and maintenance people, and cafeteria workers on juries. All of these are honorable modes of work, of course, but they don't usually attract the top level of intellectual and philosophical people.

    For instance, a jury may very well decide it will not apply a certain law in a murder case. I saw that done here in Decatur, GA once. It was great. The jury left the judge and the prosecutor spluttering and pissing and wheezing, but by God they did it.

    (This is the same reason that government schools are so piss-poor. The government doesn't want people demanding their rights, no matter how much lip service they give American freedom. Well, you can't demand a right you don't know you've got now, can you? That's just why they're teaching of the "glories of ancient Zimbabwe" in public schools instead of nitty-gritty civics. But that is a whole 'nother thread.)

    Anyway, one day soon, the dam will burst and someone will successfully sue the Borg using some new and unique legal theory, and then everyone will PILE ON. There's a pile of money and other assets to divy up that the Borg has been sitting on for a century. And I feel that I deserve quite a bit of it for 25 years of servitude, broken promises, and broken family that I have suffered through because of those bastards. That's just how come they've got 57 lawyers on staff.

    I like this thread. Keep it going.

    Francois

  • D8TA
    D8TA

    "Freedom of Religion" does not protect nor translate to "Freedom of Crime".

    I think the victory over the Church of Scientology is going to open a few avenues involving legal pursuits.

    D8TA

  • invisible
    invisible

    I've always maintained this stance, yes sleepy.

    Costs do, but don't at the same time come into it.

    Especially for those of us brought up within the trooth, our most basic human rights were taken away, including the right of every child to enjoy the freedom of education. So, in doing so, they sapped our talents, lapped our strength to deliver upon what we personally wanted out of life. Very fine for the rich posh ones in the congregation to tell us, forget your education, don't appreciate it fully. WT philosophy on this issue stinks. This community is one by and large that is excluded by the expense of things out here. We are talented but often lack many other skills people take for granted.

    I'm always up for looking at avenues to reclaim some of my time, moneuy and energy that was given them. One day, the 100th monkey effect might occur, you never know.

    Celtic Mark

  • invisible
    invisible

    Instigator's of spiritual kidnap and rape of consciousness?

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