Ray Franz - is he REALLY a hero?

by baltar447 50 Replies latest jw friends

  • bruh2012
    bruh2012

    Ray's expose' is NEW LIGHT that light that brighten our understanding , yes open a door into a place that for all our JW life we had no clue went on.

    We never question why they were so closed doors, why you can't get audience with them when you visit bethel other than running into one of them in the hallway.

    Face it, all we knew was that GB was the closest thing to Jehovah and that they were directing us in love with his holy spirit under Christ direction- and thats what we based our entire trust on in these people in every word that came from their mouth (words on paper)!

    To have this information availible gives us a NEW life changing perspective to use whether to stay or go. Some start to feel sorry for them, some start hating, some actually leave, but whatever the case it doesn't get rid of the mental/emotional scares that has been formed, yet we are more informed to examine and analysis with a sharper eye the crap that comes from them.

    Ray is my hero- who knows we all may be able to tell him in the new system!

  • bruh2012
    bruh2012

    We also have to thank Barbara Anderson also for her inside information as well. She to should be a hero of "NEW LIGHT".

  • Scott77
    Scott77
    Based on his own account the only reason he wrote the books was that they didn't honor their deal to leave him alone. Had they followed through, I don't doubt he would have lived out his days as a JW.
    Paralipomenon

    The mention of a 'deal' is something new to me. Please, can you expand on that?

    Scott77

  • Terry
    Terry

    Disfellowship was introduced in 1952.

    Disfellowshipping IS disassociation.

    A member who willingly disassociates himself has disfellowshipped himself.

    It is a mere technicality to disfellowship at that point.

    It doesn't matter to JW's whether a judicial committee or the person themselves cut the anchor chain.

  • John_Mann
    John_Mann

    Yes he is.

    The WT reaction is not his fault.

    Even if he was aware of the WT reaction, the more weird rules WT creates better to others recognize it as a trap.

    The best thing to end the WT would be they try mass suicide.

    Sad but true.

  • Mum
    Mum

    confusedandalone: I googled the definition ofn "hero," and here's what I got

    Hero: (1) A person, usually a man, who is admired or idealized for courage, outstanding achievement, or noble qualities; (2) a submarine sandwich

    How dare people imply that Ray Franz was a sub sandwich!

  • Finkelstein
    Finkelstein

    Just to clarify who Ray Franz was and what happened to him .. an excerpt from Wiki.

    Sounds to me that the leaders (GB) back when Ray reassigned his position as GB member were

    apprehensively nervous about what he could tell people particularly those JWS he associated with after leaving.

    They wanted him shut up, muzzled and marked as evil within the organization, so the GB heads had him DFed.

    .

    He in turn wrote a couple of very exposing books to reveal just how corrupt the WTS. had become.

    No doubt his uncle who was the President of the WTS. Fred Franz at the time, pushed to have him DFed for those

    particular reasons for knowing and talking too much.

    .

    Expulsion

    In March 1980 Franz and his wife took leave of absence from the world headquarters for health reasons and moved to Alabama, where he took up laboring work on a property owned by a fellow Witness. The following month a committee of the Governing Body raised concerns over the spreading of "wrong teachings" emanating from headquarters staff and began questioning headquarters staff on their beliefs. Staff were also questioned about comments Franz had made that may have contradicted Watch Tower doctrine. [12] [13] The 15 March 1980 issue of The Watchtower issued a statement of regret that its assertions of probability of Armageddon arriving before 1975 had "apparently overshadowed the cautionary ones and contributed to a buildup of expectation already initiated." [14] It told disappointed Jehovah's Witnesses, "including persons having to do with the publication of the information that contributed to the buildup of hopes centred on that date" to "concentrate on adjusting his viewpoint". [15] This statement, which placed blame for the disappointment about 1975 on Raymond Franz and his writing committee, precipitated a purge of that committee and eventual disfellowshipping of its sometime Chairman. [16] On May 8 1980 Franz was told that he had been implicated as an apostate. [17] He was called back to Brooklyn on May 20 for two days of questioning [18] by the Chairman's Committee. Franz claimed the discussion concerned allegations that some Witnesses were meeting privately to discuss various teachings of the Watch Tower Society that may have constituted apostasy.

    On 21 May 1980 Franz was called to a Governing Body session, questioned for three hours about his Bible viewpoints and commitment to Watch Tower doctrines [2] [19] and agreed to a request to resign from the Governing Body and headquarters staff. Franz refused the Watch Tower Society's offer of a monthly stipend as a member of the "Infirm Special Pioneers". [20] The Governing Body investigation resulted in the disfellowshipping of several other headquarters staff. [21] [22] [23]

    On 1 September 1980 the Governing Body distributed a letter to all Circuit and District overseers stating that apostates need not be promoting doctrines to be disfellowshipped. The letter stated that individuals who persisted in "believing other doctrine despite scriptural reproof" were also apostatizing and therefore warranted "appropriate judicial action". [18] [24]

    On 18 March 1981 Franz's employer in Alabama submitted a letter of disassociation from Jehovah's Witnesses. A Watchtower article on 15 September 1981 announced a change of policy on disassociation, directing that those who formally withdrew from the religion were to be treated by Witnesses as a disfellowshipped wrongdoer. [25] Franz, who continued to socialize with his employer, was summoned to a judicial hearing on 25 November and disfellowshiped for disobeying the edict. [2] [26] [27] Determined to set the record straight, not only with respect to his having been disfellowshiped, but with respect to larger doctrinal issues, in 1982 he sent Heather and Gary Botting proofs of his upcoming book Crisis of Conscience so that they could chronicle the more widespread discord within the Watch Tower Society. [28] They wrote regarding Franz's contribution to their expose on the Witnesses that his recommendations "undoubtedly strengthened the veracity of the text; we were impressed by his insistence on both fairness and frankness with respect to representing the view of the Watch Tower Society." [29] Following his disfellowshiping, Franz published two books—Crisis of Conscience (1983) and In Search of Christian Freedom (1991)—presenting detailed accounts of his experiences as a Jehovah's Witness, a Governing Body member, and his experiences throughout various levels of the organization.

  • Giordano
    Giordano

    . http://www.exjw.org.uk/rfranz.html

    On 22 May 1980, Albert Schroeder, Chairman of the Governing Body, came to Franz's room and informed him that some Governing Body members wanted him disfellowshipped regardless of the lack of evidence against him. Franz assumed from this that they had failed to persuade a majority, so there would be no expulsion. Schroeder said that the Governing Body wanted Franz to resign. Franz chose to write a resignation letter, and refused the Watchtower Society's offer of a monthly stipend as a member of the 'Infirm Special Pioneers'. He and his wife left the organization's headquarters. [18]

    The Franzs went to live on the property of their fellow Witness and friend, Peter Gregerson, who owned a grocery business in Alabama. Franz resumed employment with his friend, and he and his wife continued to attend meetings at the East Gadsden congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses.

    At the same time, according to Franz, his employer and landlord, Peter Gregerson, was being harassed and interrogated by elders [citation needed] , as someone had conveyed a private conversation that Peter Gregerson had about the 15 August 1980 Watchtower magazine,

    On 18 March 1981, according to Peter Gregerson, due to stress and constant badgering and intimidation, he submitted a letter of resignation from the organization. Those who disassociate themselves were, at that time, still allowed normal and friendly contact with their fellow Witnesses. Gregerson states that he could not tolerate the constant harassment and unchristian manner [citation needed] he was being targeted for, with regards to a private conversation about a Watchtower article that used what has been alleged to be an incorrect Greek word for the location of the 'Great Crowd.' Soon after his resignation, the Watch Tower Society changed its policy for those who are "disassociated" and reinstated a previous policy which classes those disassociated with those who are "disfellowshipped" (a much more serious condition). Those who were disfellowshipped were placed in the same category as "wicked sinners, antichrist, anti-God, fornicators, idolaters, drunkards and extortioners," [29] as were also those who were guilty of the crime of "independent thoughts", as stated in the Society's 1 September, 1980, letter to all Circuit and District overseers.

    Franz was disfellowshiped for eating a meal with his landlord Peter Gregerson.

  • Giordano
    Giordano

    Finklestein you beat me to it!

  • Nathan Natas
    Nathan Natas

    I'm not a "Fan of Franz" for my own reasons, but I think that in addition to being completely incorrect about when disfellowshipping began in the WTB&TS, you are also making a mistake by blaming Franz for actions taken by the WTB&TS. Generally speaking it is "he who done the deed" who bears resnsibility for it.

    Franz is also not the reason the Beatles broke up.

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