"Honour" Killing in Pakistan

by cofty 54 Replies latest social current

  • digderidoo
    digderidoo

    There is a fundamental flaw in the OP and some of the comments here.

    This killing was NOT done under Pakistan law, Sharia law or any other law ... she was killed before the Court was opened, she was waiting to enter the Court as a witness for her lover who'd been accused of kidnapping her, the father has been arrested.

    So called 'honour' killings are a big problem in Pakistan but they are not done under law, they are condemned by Pakistan law and justice will no doubt be served for this horrendous crime.

  • cofty
    cofty

    digderidoo - The OP does not say otherwise. Please read it more carefully.

    they are condemned by Pakistan law and justice will no doubt be served for this horrendous crime.

    Very few people are punished for honour killings as the law permits a victim's family to forgive. In these cases the victim's family are also the culprits.

    Campaigners say few cases come to court, and those that do can take years to be heard. No one tracks how many cases are successfully prosecuted.

    Even those that do result in a conviction may end with the killers walking free. Pakistani law allows a victim's family to forgive their killer.

    But in honor killings, most of the time the women's killers are her family, said Wasim Wagha of the Aurat Foundation. The law allows them to nominate someone to do the murder, then forgive him.

    "This is a huge flaw in the law," he said. "We are really struggling on this issue."

  • digderidoo
    digderidoo

    "digeridoo - The OP does not say otherwise. Please read it more carefully."

    The OP states, 'Her crime was to reject her cousin ...' and 'This is what happens when you allow a mysogynistic religion to influence secular law', which has lead others to infer that this killing is done somehow under the rule of law.

    "The law allows them to nominate someone to do the murder, then forgive him. "

    The forgiving is in relation to the commuting the death penalty to imprisonment, rather than being let off with the crime. That statement is very misleading, though I accept that it's a fault of Reuters and the person quoted, rather than yourself. I'd argue that convictions are rare due to people in communities in the countryside (where the majority tend to happen) being to scared to come forward as witnesses, rather than the fact that a family can commute the death sentence to imprisonment.

  • new hope and happiness
    new hope and happiness

    Cofty all i can say to that is maybe your mum and dad need to start living life and not just reading about it in Watchtower writtings. I think that my family and " friends" in watchtower world just smuggle themselfs through life. From where did this hope come? Acceptance? security? Do they believ there holy books are legally registered by God. And even if they know they dont want to know, they want to...well it seems to me your mum and dad are like my mum and dad they want to live a delusion. And if its neccessary to sacrifice ones son to live freely in that delusion thats ok.

    But i never heard the words " i love you" from my dad. If i had then i could never understand how he could put the system first. But to kill me, our relationship is better than that. " Honour" killings i can find no mittigating circumstances, no shades of grey. Just personL accountability. Sorry because i do see how religion plays its part.

  • new hope and happiness
    new hope and happiness

    P.S Cofty, sorry if my post was critical of your mum and dad. I was talking in general, and experiences that the W.T creates with family.

  • redvip2000
    redvip2000

    And to think that christians, muslim, jews and others live their entire lives according to religious books written by these same intolerant middle eastern civilizations.

  • glenster
    glenster

    The case is mentioned in this article:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honour_killing_in_Pakistan#Specific_occurrences

    On 27 May 2014 a pregnant woman was stoned to death by her own family in front
    of a Pakistani High Court for marrying the man she loved. Police investigator
    Mujahid quoted the father as saying: "I killed my daughter as she had insulted all
    of our family by marrying a man without our consent, and I have no regret over
    it."

    1990 Qisas and Diyat Ordinance

    Most honor killings are encompassed by the 1990 Qisas and Diyat Ordinance, which
    permits the individual and his or her family to retain control over a crime, in-
    cluding the right to determine whether to report the crime, prosecute the offend,
    or demand diyat (or compensation). This allows serious crimes such as honor kill-
    ings to become "privatized" and to escape state scrutiny, shifting responsibility
    from the state to the individual.

    Under Islamic Sharia law, the punishment for murder, homicide or infliction of
    injury can either be in the form of qisas (equal punishment for the crime com-
    mitted) or diyat (monetary compensation payable to the victims or their legal
    heirs). These concepts are applied in different ways in different Islamic systems.

    In Pakistan, the right to waive qisas, or punishment, is given to family of the
    victim. If and when the case reaches a court of law, the victim's family may
    'pardon' the murderer (who may well be one of them), or be pressured to accept
    diyat (financial compensation). The murderer then goes free. Courts have used
    provisions like this to circumvent penalties for honor killings.

    Once such a pardon has been secured, the state has no further writ on the matter
    although often the killers are relatives of the victim. Human rights agencies in
    Pakistan have repeatedly emphasized that women falling prey to karo-kari were
    usually those wanting to marry of their own will. In many cases, the victims held
    properties that the male members of their families did not wish to lose if the
    women chose to marry outside the family. More often than not, the karo-kari murder
    relates to inheritance problems, feud-settling, or to get rid of the wife, for in-
    stance in order to remarry.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honour_killing_in_Pakistan

    Causes

    There are multiple causes for which honor killings occur, and numerous factors
    interact with each other.

    Views on women

    Honor killings are often a result of strongly patriarchal views on women, and
    the position of women in society. In these traditional male dominated societies
    women are dependent first on their father and then on their husband, whom they are
    expected to obey. Women are viewed as property and not as individuals with their
    own agency. As such, they must submit to male authority figures in the family –
    failure to do so can result in extreme violence as punishment. Violence is seen as
    a way of ensuring compliance and preventing rebellion.

    Cultures of honor and shame

    The concept of family honor is extremely important in many communities. The fam-
    ily is viewed as the main source of honor and the community highly values the re-
    lationship between honor and the family. Acts by family members which may be con-
    sidered inappropriate are seen as bringing shame to the family in the eyes of the
    community. Such acts often include female behaviors that are related to sex out-
    side marriage or way of dressing, but may also include male homosexuality (like
    the emo killings in Iraq). The family loses face in the community, and may be
    shunned by relatives. The only way the shame can be erased is through a killing.

    Laws

    Legal frameworks can encourage honor killings. Such laws include on one side
    leniency towards such killings, and on the other side criminalization of various
    behaviors, such as extramarital sex, 'indecent' dressing in public places, or
    homosexual sexual acts, with these laws acting as a way of reassuring perpetrators
    of honor killings that people engaging in these behaviors deserve punishment.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing#Causes

    Religion

    Widney Brown, the advocacy director of Human Rights Watch, said that the prac-
    tice "goes across cultures and across religions". Human rights advocates have com-
    pared "honor killing" to "crimes of passion" in Latin America (which are sometimes
    treated extremely leniently) and also to the killing of women for lack of dowry
    in India. Honor crimes occur in societies where there is an interplay between dis-
    criminatory traditions of justice and statutory law. In some countries, this dis-
    crimination is exacerbated by the inclusion of Shari'a, Islamic law, or the con-
    cept of zina (sex outside of marriage).

    Tahira Shaid Khan, a professor of women's issues at Aga Khan University, notes
    that there is nothing in the Qur'an that permits or sanctions honor killings.
    Khan instead blames it on attitudes (across different classes, ethnic and reli-
    gious groups) that view women as property with no rights of their own as the mo-
    tivation for honor killings. Khan also argues that this view results in violence
    against women and their being turned "into a commodity which can be exchanged,
    bought and sold".
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing#Religion

  • Heaven
    Heaven

    There is no honour in any of these types of killings. None whatsoever.

  • digderidoo
    digderidoo

    The 1990 Qisas and Diyat Ordinance was amended in 2005 with section 311 of the Pakistan Penal Code, which allows the Court to override any compensation agreements arranged by the family. Section 311 legislates that the Court should give a minimum 10 year sentence for so called 'honour' killings despite any 'family pardons'.

    Dr Wiki can be misleading and not always reliable.

  • DJS
    DJS

    Honor killings have occurred in the U.S. as well. They have typically been Pakistanis or other Islamic extremists. Marriages are also typically arranged in India; however, the Hindu belief system is in large part based on tolerance, so honor killlings are unlikely. Thier cousins to the East, however? That's a different matter. Islam is known for intolerance.

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