JEHOVAH JUDGES ABUSIVE ELDERS

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  • You Know
    You Know

    Repeatedly, the Scriptures admonish Jehovah’s people to stay in wakeful anticipation of God’s judgments. The not so obvious reason being that we don't know exactly how Jehovah's judgments are going to go down. However, the ordering of events once the judgment commences should not be in question. The apostle plainly indicated that the judgment begins with the house of God, and due to Christ’s inspection of his household the Scripture goes on to say that, due to the severity of the judgment, that the righteous one will be saved only with great difficulty. James indicates that elders receive a heavier judgment. So did Christ. He said that those whom people put in charge demand more than usual from them. That being the case, then, Jehovah obviously holds elders and the Governing Body more accountable as to how they discharge their shepherding obligations. The prophecy of Ezekiel the 34th chapter is Jehovah’s judgment yet to be brought to bear against negligent elders.

    For example, verse 4 says: The sickened ones you have not strengthened, and the ailing one you have not healed, and the broken one you have not bandaged, and the dispersed one you have not brought back, and the lost one you have not sought to find, but with harshness you have held them in subjection, even with tyranny.

    Typically, the Watchtower applies Jehovah’s judgments to the clergy of Christendom, but interestingly verse 21 says: for the reason that with the flank and with the shoulder you kept pushing and with your horns you kept shoving all the sickened ones until you had scattered them to the outside. And I will save my sheep…

    Now, if the bad shepherds who are shoving Jehovah’s sheep out are the clergy, wouldn’t that be a good thing if they left the churches? Yet, Jehovah judges the shepherds who do such a thing. It is evident then, that, since those abused sheep are called Jehovah’s sheep, that the fold over which the bad shepherds preside is in fact Jehovah’s organization and not Christendom as we now suppose. That’s what verse 30 plainly says: And they will have to know that I, Jehovah their God, am with them and that they are my people…

    According to the satanic reasoning of the faithless apostate, the problems and corruption in the organization is proof that Jehovah’s Witnesses are not God’s organization as we claim. But, rather than Jehovah’s coming judgment against us being an indication that we are not his people, his organization, it will instead be a demonstration that God indeed oversees his flock and that He is cognizant of what is wrong and perfectly able to make the needed corrections.

    In the very near term the Anglo-American system of things is scheduled to undergo a catastrophic meltdown, during which time the shepherding shortcomings of the above-described bad shepherds will become manifest. During the heat of trial Jehovah will take complete control over his organization. The angels will forcibly eject all faithless ones and Jehovah will show mercy to the rest. For those on the fringe who have been stumbled and who are leaning towards apostasy, but who have not yet been completely devoured by it, there is possibly a brief period of amnesty that Jehovah will extend to those who have suffered at the hands of abusive elders and who are able to muster the necessary faith to apply. / You Know

  • Gozz
    Gozz

    Almost there. You Know, why don't you send this stuff to Brooklyn? You're not afraid of delivering God's message, are you? Compile your works and send to Brooklyn. You could be guilty for not letting the light shine you know. But how can you be a source of truth, when you're not part of the anointed remnant?

    *** Watchtower 1961 July 15 pp.431-2 Become Activated by the Spirit of Jehovah ***

    6 From a study of God's Word one appreciates that Jehovah does not dispense his dynamic energy through just any organization that chooses to label itself religious. Neither does God deal with individuals independently of his own wifely organization, the "mother" of all those dedicated to God. (Gal. 4:26) He has always had His channel of communication on earth through which his spirit operates. Remember how Miriam and Aaron tried to bypass this channel and almost lost their lives as a result? Only after Jesus had been baptized by Jehovah's representative did he receive holy spirit and strength to enable him to do his powerful works. (Num. 12:1-16; Matt. 3:16; Acts 10:38) By and through this holy spirit Jesus aided those associated with him so they could understand the truth, and so they too could receive power to "cure sick people, raise up dead persons, make lepers clean, expel demons." Thus is emphasized the importance of association with Jehovah's organization.-Matt. 10:8; Luke 24:45; 1 Cor. 2:10.

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  • Pathofthorns
    Pathofthorns

    It sounds good to say "Jehovah judges abusive elders". I've even heard abusive elders say the same thing. The problem is they can't recognize the ways they hurt people and the system itself makes it difficult for an elder to actually look after the flock in a caring way. Any system that is reduced to a bunch of inflexible laws and regulations and policies becomes cold and abusive because it has no heart and no love.

    "Jehovah judges abusive elders" is exactly the same as saying "wait on Jehovah". Both statements blame God for the inactivity of certain men who can deal with these abusive men, but who choose not to. The reality is that Jehovah hasn't done a thing about anything lately and politics within this organization stop many men from making needed corrections.

    YOU KNOW, you need to stop parrotting cliches and start calling things for what they are. You are in a system that stifles people even talking about a problem, let alone actually doing anything about it. Feel-good cliches ring pretty hollow after awhile.

    Path

  • bjc2012
    bjc2012

    You Know, you said:

    ...That being the case, then, Jehovah obviously holds elders and the Governing Body more accountable as to how they discharge their shepherding obligations. The prophecy of Ezekiel the 34th chapter is Jehovah’s judgment yet to be brought to bear against negligent elders. For example, verse 4 says: The sickened ones you have not strengthened, and the ailing one you have not healed, and the broken one you have not bandaged, and THE DISPERSED ONE YOU HAVE NOT BROUGHT BACK, AND THE LOST ONE YOU HAVE NOT SOUGHT TO FIND
    , but with harshness you have held them in subjection, even with tyranny.QUESTION: Based upon the above events of prophecy, where do you suppose the "sickened ones" among Jehovah's sheep have been "dispersed" exactly? To what place or location have they been "dispersed" more precisely, would you say?

    Also where, would you say, have the "lost sheep" that have not been "sought" for been "scattered", in relation to the JW Organization?

    Would you say they have been "dispersed" and chased away from the JW Organization? Have the "sickened ones" among Jehovah's sheep been chased away from the JW Organization, would you say?

    Is that what the prophecy indicates for modern-day Jehovah's Witnesses as an Organization, under the wicked direction of the Governing Body?

    Is that what you are saying?

    I'd appreciate your insights on this situation and the fulfillment of Ezekiel's prophecy as it applies for our day.

    ...Typically, the Watchtower applies Jehovah’s judgments to the clergy of Christendom, but interestingly verse 21 says: for the reason that with the flank and with the shoulder you kept pushing and with your horns YOU KEPT SHOVING ALL THE SICKENED ONES UNTIL YOU SCATTERED THEM TO THE OUTSIDE
    . And I will save my sheep…

    Now, if the bad shepherds who are shoving Jehovah’s sheep out are the clergy, wouldn’t that be a good thing if they left the churches? Yet, Jehovah judges the shepherds who do such a thing. It is evident then, that, since those abused sheep are called Jehovah’s sheep, that the fold over which the bad shepherds preside is in fact Jehovah’s organization and not Christendom as we now suppose...NEXT QUESTION: Ezekiel's prophecy explicitly says above, the abusive elders take their "horns" of power and push and "shove" the already "sickened sheep" completely to the point of no return -- that is they are mercilessly and cruelly "scattered to the outside". This is a horrible punishment inflicted upon them. But the verse clearly says, they are "scattered to the outside..."

    Hmmmmmm........"scattered to the "outside" of what, You Know?

    If this prophecy, as you say above, applies exclusively to Jehovah's Witnesses as an organization with its oppressive "elders" and NOT to Christendom and its clergy, then to where are the already "sickened sheep" scattered and pushed? Where are they "scattered" too, as the prophecy indicates?

    To the "outside" it says. Does that mean, "to the outside" of the JW Organization, maybe?

    What would be your opinion?

    What would you say Ezekiel's modern-day prophecy indicates, as regards to where the already "sickened sheep" are "shoved" and "scattered"? It says, "to the outside"...but to the "outside of what," would you say?

    bjc

  • LB
    LB

    Aaaah yes, the old Jehovah will straighten it out theme. Trouble is ask exactly how Jehovah fixes things today? Why it's through the elder arrangement isn't it?


    Never Squat With Yer Spurs On

  • termite 35
    termite 35

    Bjc;wow;that was eloquent-nicely done X

  • You Know
    You Know
    You Know, why don't you send this stuff to Brooklyn? You're not afraid of delivering God's message, are you? Compile your works and send to Brooklyn

    I send lots of stuff like this to Brooklyn, the fact is I just throw a few tidbits on this board compared to what I share with them.

    But how can you be a source of truth, when you're not part of the anointed remnant?
    Jehovah and Jesus are the only source of truth, but in that connection you are allowed to make certain assumptions. LOL / You Know
  • Will Power
    Will Power

    This board is full of sheep pushed outside the org. The org only wants its own kind.
    People with a conscience are not welcome. They get pushed out, Jesus, the good shepherd finds them and then they are saved. Because Jesus will protect them from the wolves, and once he has them no one can snatch them out of His hand.

    Yep, I think You Know is close to an understanding.

  • You Know
    You Know
    QUESTION: Based upon the above events of prophecy, where do you suppose the "sickened ones" among Jehovah's sheep have been "dispersed" exactly? To what place or location have they been "dispersed" more precisely, would you say?

    When sheep are scattered they generally go in all directions. But, sadly, the Scripture does indicate that many of Jehovah's sheep fall prey to spiritual predators of various stripe. For example, 2 Peter 2:19 refers to those who are overcome and enslaved by apostates. And Psalms 10:9-10 says: He keeps lying in wait to carry off some afflicted one by force. He carries off the afflicted one by force when he draws his net shut. He is crushed, he bows down, and the army of dejected ones has to fall into his strong claws

    Probably, though, the dispersing of Jehovah's sheep isn't referring to the relative handful who have been lost to date, but rather a large scale dispersal that hasn't occured yet, but will occur in the future during the initial phase of the tribulation. That's evident from verses 27 and 28, which says in part: And they will no longer become something to plunder for the nations; and as regards the wild beast of the earth, it will not devour them, and they will actually dwell in security, with no one to make them tremble.

    / You Know

  • joelbear
    joelbear

    You Know is irrelevant.

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