JEHOVAH JUDGES ABUSIVE ELDERS

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  bjc2012

  You Know:

  No. The captors are mentioned in verse 28 as the nations who plunder us/ You Know

  But at Ezekiel 34:22 Jehovah says,

  "And I will save my sheep, and they will no longer become something for PLUNDER; and I will judge between a sheep and a sheep."

  Clearly, Jehovah says above He saves his sheep from "plundering" by His decisive action of "judging between a sheep and a sheep."

  So, the real "plundering" of the hapless "sickened sheep", is done by the bad "shepherds", according to the above verse. Jehovah "judges between a sheep and a sheep". So then, the world at large, is NOT involved in this "judgment" or decisive action toward his enemies within the JW congregational structure.

  Also, Ezekiel 34:4 says,

  "The sickened ones you have not strengthened, and the ailing one you have not healed, and the broken one you have not bandaged, and the dispersed one you have not brought back, and the lost one you have not sought to find, but with HARSHNESS YOU HAVE HAD THEM IN SUBJECTION, EVEN WITH TYRANNY."

  Does not this above text, show the WTS, specifically the Governing Body and its abusive, oppressive "elders" working in concert to "push" out or "shove" the "sickened sheep" to the point of "scattering" to oblivion?

  Does this not sound like the work of "Babylon the Great"?

  The verse above clearly says, the "sickened sheep" are held in tyrannical "subjection" and are dealt with in extreme "harshness". Thus, this "tyrannical" rule expressed by these wicked "shepherds" towards "Jehovah's sheep", as you have said, is fulfilled by way of prophecy upon hapless, defenseless Jehovah's Witnesses of our day.

  You said originally in the opening post, that the above wicked men of the Governing Body of JWs and their "elder" assistants were the actual fulfillment of the abusive elders or bad "shepherds" of Ezekiel 34, in a modern-day sense, did you not?

  And yet you say, this is NOT a vivid description of "Babylon the Great" at work? You say, this is NOT a fulfillment of her power and absolute "tyranny" she holds over the congregations of JWs at large?

  For example, the WTS' recent attempt to silence, the "silent lambs" whistle-blowers. More specifically the Barbara Andersen" case itself for example, and also the upcoming "Dateline" exposure of the WTS. Does not this recent much publicized situation irrefutably and indubitably demonstrate the GB/WTS' evil character and intent toward the defenseless "sickened sheep", when they heartlessly "shove" and "push" them "outside" of the JW Organization by way of "excommunication" or "disfellowshipment"? (Please compare Ezekiel 34:21 with Isaiah 66:5.)

  Does not this unique situation show the G.B and WTS to be a modern-day fulfillment of the infamous "Babylon the Great", exhibiting her powers of total control and subjecting her "slave" JW-members to the harshest form of slavery in total "obedience" to her, instead of God as it should be? (See Acts 5:29.)

  She is the "Great City" that is "called by God's Name", that appropriately corresponds to oppressive "Egypt" or Jerusalem of Jesus' day led by the Pharisees. (Jeremiah 25:29; Luke 4:18; Revelation 11:8; 18:4, 10)

  I'm surprised, you, of all people You Know, really can't see the corresponding nature of the evil WTS entity, and its merciless oppression of the hapless "sickened sheep", with the characteristics of a modern-day "Babylon the Great" and there being a possible link between the two?

  Is this what you are saying?

  bjc
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  You Know

  Clearly, Jehovah says above He saves his sheep from "plundering" by His decisive action of "judging between a sheep and a sheep."

  No. That's not what the Scripture says. The verse I cited previously indicates that those doing the plundering are the nations. Jehovah takes the bad shepherds to task because they do not protect the sheep or rescue them from those doing the plundering.

  Does not this above text, show the WTS, specifically the Governing Body and its abusive, oppressive "elders" working in concert to "push" out or "shove" the "sickened sheep" to the point of "scattering" to oblivion?

  Yes. That's the point of my post. Jehovah holds his shepherds acountable for the simple reason that they were appointed by him to shepherd his sheep.

  Does this not sound like the work of "Babylon the Great"?

  No. Jehovah never entrusted his sheep to Christendom. The prophecy is directed to those who are part of Jehovah's spiritual nation.

  You said originally in the opening post, that the above wicked men of the Governing Body of JWs and their "elder" assistants were the actual fulfillment of the abusive elders or bad "shepherds" of Ezekiel 34, in a modern-day sense, did you not?

  I didn't use the term wicked. That's your characterization. The 34th chapter of Ezekiel doesn't make that sort of judgment. It doesn't even condemn the bad shepherds to death. It merely points out that at some point Jehovah is going to relieve incompetent shepherds of their positions over his sheep and more directly, personally, take over shepherding, through his servant "David."

  / You Know
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  OUTLAW

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  You Know

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  OUTLAW

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  You Know

  SYN

  but one thing you should consider is that all of your letters to BORGlyn are being consigned to the trash can upon receipt! You think those losers at the top give a flying about what you think?

  The fulfillment of Jehovah's word doesn't depend upon whether men welcome his judgments or not. Usually, those against whom the judgments are levied are blindsided. / You Know
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  You Know

  Is that it bjc2012? / You Know
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  144thousand_and_one

  Jehovah obviously holds elders and the Governing Body more accountable as to how they discharge their shepherding obligations. - - You Know (but he obviously doesn't!)

  So what accountability is Jehovah going to impose upon the leaders of your cult who have encouraged the abuse and exploitation of children?
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  ThiChi

  You Know, from a biblical viewpoint, I agree with your observations. However, the JWs insist that they have been found clean and approved of God since 1919 (?), yet, they are doing the same things that they condemn Christendom for. Jesus stated that we will know his disciples by the fruit they bear. Why two standards for Christendom and the Jws when error is involved?
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  bjc2012

  You Know:

  Is that it bjc2012? / You Know

  No...not quite.

  The 34th chapter of Ezekiel doesn't make that sort of judgment. It doesn't even condemn the bad shepherds to death. It merely points out that at some point Jehovah is going to relieve incompetent shepherds of their positions over his sheep and more directly, personally, take over shepherding, through his servant "David."

  Ezekiel 34:21 says,

  "For the reason that with flank and with shoulder you kept pushing and with your horns you kept shoving all the sickened ones until you had scattered them to the outside."

  First of all, whatever happened to elders being "appointed by holy spirit", as it was among first century christians? Have you abandoned that thought now, even in regards to the Governing Body? In your estimation, were they ever appointed by holy spirit?

  Well, regardless, I'm afraid the word "incompetence" doesn't even begin to encompass the massive guilt incurred upon JWs at this point, and the wicked Governing Body and assistants at Bethel. The 10-year secret UN liason Scandal and the pervasive pedophile problem for JWs is just the "tip of the iceberg". Here's why.

  You see an "incompetent" elder might make a few mistakes here and there. Maybe stumble a few by accident, but not on purpose. He's simply "incompetent", as you suggest. But he is not working DELIBERATELY to stumble or harm individuals, is he?

  But what do you read above?

  The verse says the bad "shepherds"

  "... kept pushing and with your horns you kept shoving ALL the sickened ones until you had scattered them to the outside."

  All. The word is "ALL".

  The bad shepherds "kept shoving", repeatedly, until they had successfully managed to put out ... "ALL", "All of the sickened ones" -- and "scattered them to the outside" of the JW Organization.

  That's what the verse says, You Know.

  All of Jehovah's Sheep are "scattered to the outside" of the JW Organization. All!

  So then, this is not the work of some one making a few mistakes here and there, a few persons of "incompetence" as you suggest. No, but unmistakably, this is the work and operation of "Babylon the Great" [aka WTS Headquarters] who is under the Satan-inspired auspices and direction of the wicked "man of lawlessness" [aka Governing Body of JWs] of Bible prophecy. (2 Thess. 2:3-12; Rev. 18:4)

  So you are much mistaken. And Ezekiel 34:21 proves it.

  One more point:

  Because of the prolific practice of wickedness on the parts of the WTS and G.B., now and in the future, Jehovah's Witnesses will lose their "christian" standing completely with God. They will lose the "Christian" Covenant, and have to seek another to regain God's blessings. Here is the prophecy.

  Jeremiah 50:4,5

  "In those days and at that time is the utterance of Jehovah, the sons of Israel, they and the sons of Judah together, will come. They will walk, weeping as they walk, and for Jehovah their God they will seek. To Zion they will keep asking the way [because they are totally lost], with their faces in that direction, saying "Come and let us JOIN OURSELVES to Jehovah in an indefinitely lasting covenant that will not be forgotten."

  They have been detached from God. That's why they have to "join themselves to Jehovah", again. By way of another Covenant arrangement. The WTS and G.B. have successfully led JWs so far away from God, that they need to "rejoin" themselves to God again. They need another Covenant. The Christian Covenant of Jesus, is gone, thanks to your "incompetent" leaders.

  And why does this happen to JWs as an organization?

  The next verses, verses 6-7 of Jeremiah 50 says,

  "A flock of perishing creatures my people has become. Their own shepherds have caused them to wander about. On the mountains they have led them away. From mountain to hill they have gone. They have forgotten their resting-place. All those finding them have eaten them up, and their own adversaries have said, "We shall not become guilty, due to the fact that they [JWs] have SINNED AGAINST JEHOVAH the abiding place of righteousness and the hope of their forefather, Jehovah."

  These above verses show that even those that "eat them up", those that "eat" Jehovah's Witnesses up as a nation, those that brutalize them, even they know that Jehovah Himself has abandoned them to their "enemies". The "worst ones of the nations" Jehovah says will know JWs have "sinned". Even they know. (See Ezekiel 7:8-9, 24.)

  So you are mistaken again. Because these "worst ones of the nations" will know JWs as a nation are precisely the ones that have "sinned against Jehovah", greatly. The "worst" enemy will know JWs have been completely abandoned by God, the prophecy says.

  This is because, JWs have "sinned" greatly, sinned to such an extent, that the nation of JWs will have to have another "covenant". They will have to rejoin themselves, "join themselves" again to God, by way of this new Covenant arrangement. Because their wicked "shepherds" have led them completely astray, You Know.

  bjc