The Complete Scammer's Guide - by "Pastor" Russell (New Light!)

by Focus 109 Replies latest jw friends

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  Focus

  DATA-DOG:

  Hey. I don't know what happened to this thread

  I do.

  Though Occam suggests that two closet WTS-apologists have decided to trash the thread, my guess is that two relatively fragile egos (whose opinions of their own abilities are as mountains compared to the reality of their abilities) have been dented and they can neither say"sorry" or cease to transgress.

  , but I propose the printing and displaying of scans of these articles. Seriously, get an identical LITTERATRASH rolly-cart and set up shop right next to some JWs. That would be awesome.

  Putting my akubra on, I'd say "Bloody fine idea, cobber!"

  DD, of the ( don't know everything but willing to fight) class.

  I'm of exactly the same class myself.

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  Focus

  (... as well as "Tiring of the small dogs" Class)
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  EdenOne

  I'm going to answer your new impertinent questions - why, I don't know - and the answers are that I've nothing to do with the people behind that website, have no idea who they are, etc.

  See? When you try a little harder to overcome your self-aggrandizing obsession, you can actually be short and to the point. The rest of your petty attempt to be insulting towards me or anyone who challenges you is wholly wasted on me. Your irrelevance in my life is such that I don't effin' give a rat's ass about your opinion of me. But I wonder why you can't take a challenge without resorting to insult and ad hominem.

  Having said that I'll give you enough credit to take your word for it.

  Like I said, I value documentation, and will be very interested in the documentation you'll produce. (Other than the Eagle articles, as they are heavily biased. I took good note of your argument, that the Eagle, aware of Russell's litigation ability, wouldn't print accusations that would render unprovable in court. I think you're probably right, but -again - independent verification is required. You mencioned you had evidence of Maria Russell's presence in Canada to testify against Russell on the Russell v. Ross case. That's the sort of independent verification I expect to be produced.)

  If you would like to waste less brain power in responding to challenges, perhaps it's a good idea to start being less patronizing and name-caling to others. You see, they may not share the same level of sheer 'genious' of the likes of you, but they can surely succeed in getting to your nerves and waste your time. Learn some fundamental respect for other human beings, and others will be less prone to think of you as an animal.

  As for:

  I'll stop short of telling you go forth and procreate - for now.

  Thank you for the sound advice. I can do that. Can you still do it?

  Eden
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  EdenOne

  Are you in your right senses?

  Sanity? Check. Humanity? Check. Yep, I am.

  My identity is, by and large, my business, right?

  Agreed, but you've missed the point; I didn't inquiry about your 'real world' identity. By your own admission, you have used more different handles, and you operate in various platforms, not only JWN. It was a perfectly pertinent question, and not an attempt to "expose" the citizen behind Focus.

  please don't. For my sake. And for yours

  I'll take that as a direct threat, looking for intimidation.

  My motive for being here is to destroy the Watchtower. What's yours?

  I didn't come to JWN to destroy the Watchtower, although the more I know, the more I think this organization is unsound from top to bottom, as well as from its historical roots, and thus cannot be "reformed". I came to learn, to form a well-established, well-informed opinion about the Watchtower and its theology, and the point of view of its detractors. It shouldn't come as a surprise to you that the detractors of the WTS are mostly right, on multiple levels. So, my next goal is to help my family to get out, while trying to preserve my marriage. As for the "cruzade" to destroy the Watchtower, I leave that to heroes like yourself. I have much better things to do with my time and my money.

  Do you want to help people? Author a book. A GOOD book, backed up by documentation aplenty, to counter the idiotic whitewashing provided by the "Proclaimers" book. The go-to book for researchers. For people interested in facts, more than emotions, write a work that is capable of changing lives as "Crisis of Conscience". Then make sure it gets to the hands of decison makers all over the world. By doing THAT, you're really helping out people. Start a crowdfunding campain to raise funds to fund the investigation and publishing, while creating public awareness about the ongoing research. Here, I'll give you a title for the book, entirely for free: "THE KINGDOM OF SHEEP-HERDING WOLVES - A history of the International Bible Students' movement and the Jehovah's Witnesses"

  Eden
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  Focus

  You mencioned you had evidence of Maria Russell's presence in Canada to testify against Russell on the Russell v. Ross case. That's the sort of independent verification I expect to be produced.

  "mentioned", even.

  And it will be produced - in fact, as it comprises more New Light**, it was the next on my list of Russell-revelations.

  It would have already been done if the Iggerant Class had stopped trying to have a pop and undermine me.

  Examples from the past few days include:

  * the raca who accused me of stealing the "Are Cats for Christians" article of which I am the author - and then continued to justify his stance, when presented with proof, that I was "self-plagiarizing";

  * the himself-intellectually-dishonest raca who is now apparently claiming that if you ever use a (well-known) idea or phrase you must simultaneously acknowledge its source, or else stand validly accused of dishonesty;

  * another raca (you) who keeps accusing me of being other people, now with some view to accusing me of plagiarizing other sources (jwdivorces?) in some unspecified manner.

  * yet another cowardly raca who accused me of being a troll with little or no knowledge of the Watchtower, when much of his own knowledge is based on works written by myself, or on works copied or adapted by others from works written by myself - works which I had been so generous as to release without any restrictions as to re-use, explicitly permitting the same in the text.

  Well, quite a little tag team of "Spiritual Pedophiles" (acknowledging herein the intellectual property of the Watchtower Society, which designated that any consumption of "apostate" material comprised the commission of "spiritual fornication" and the reading of "pornography", together with eating at the table of demons) operating over here, one could perhaps say... But I won't. Why reduce myself to their base level?

  Note:

  ** At least, I think it is New Light. Why don't you waste your time googling for it to see if anyone else picked up on this before me, as I've no time for such nonsense, and you clearly do. Then you can confirm or deny that Focus's "New Light" is really "New Light" (re: Russell's wife Maria's assistance offered to J.J. Ross).

  I'm addressing you in the above mild, peace-loving and charitable manner only because you appear to be, on the evidence available, the least reprehensible of the team.

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  Focus

  ("Maria Russell" Class)
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  EdenOne

  I'm addressing you in the mild and charitable manner only because you appear to be, on the evidence available, the least reprehensible of the trio.

  My oh my aren't you generous today

  "Spiritual Pedophiles" heh? How come paralelling the consumption of "apostate" material being equated to consumption of "pornography" lends you to level the accusation of "spiritual pedophilia"? Intellectual honesty should start inside you, before you even vomit that sort of filthy insult. That speaks volumes about you, Erna Petri.

  Eden
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  Raton

  Any chance of someone starting a 'why i hate Focus' thread, a 'why his information isn't good' thread, or even PM privately. This thread about Russel is 3+ pages of arguing. I wouldn't mind learning more about Russel and hope to find the information here. I will do what I can to verify the information then on my own. Just a thought of mine anyway not that anyone really cares.

  (Newbie Class)
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  EdenOne

  Raton,

  Once Focus stops insulting others, maybe he'll have some time to be truthful to his handle and come up with the goods.

  We're listening.

  Eden
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  Focus

  Raton:

  Any chance of someone starting a 'why i hate Focus' thread, a 'why his information isn't good' thread, or even PM privately. This thread about Russel is 3+ pages of arguing. I wouldn't mind learning more about Russel and hope to find the information here. I will do what I can to verify the information then on my own. Just a thought of mine anyway not that anyone really cares.

  Excellent point, Raton, and one which of course the "EdenOne" Class will avoid answering.

  In the past of j-w.n/JWD there have been at least a dozen such threads. 11 years ago, the neo-Nazi apologist gang alone started at least half a dozen.

  Let's say that "unfortunately", these Focus-bashing threads didn't quite turn out how their originators had planned.

  Just in recent days, cofty saw fit to start one at:

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/scandals/281265/1/The-Ravings-of-Trolls-Distracts-FOCUS-From-Real-Watchtower-Scandals

  "The Ravings of Trolls Distracts FOCUS From Real Watchtower Scandals"

  but I think his heart is in the right place, and he was just spiritually misguided. He seems to have run off from the thread anyway, when Focus supporters appeared everywhere - and not limited to those who are familiar with my 20-year record of cult-bashing - which is such a shame given the dossier I now have on the originator.

  Yes, those with weak minds and delicate egos and arrogance soon hate Focus. I'm really, truly, sorry about this.

  For the logic impaired - there is no suggestion above that the set who hate Focus is restricted to the above categories. I am sure there are valid reasons for hating Focus. The G.B. certainly hated my alter ego P.B. enough to discuss him at a meeting... wow, fame at last. Not.

  You may like to know, Raton, that these damaged individuals are, as I write, seeking to get me removed from this forum.

  Tools of the Watchtower that they are... I really should not even waste my expectoration on them. But, in the best agape sense, I will!

  Eden One:

  Author a book. A GOOD book, backed up by documentation aplenty, to counter the idiotic whitewashing provided by the "Proclaimers" book. The go-to book for researchers. For people interested in facts, more than emotions, write a work that is capable of changing lives as "Crisis of Conscience". Then make sure it gets to the hands of decison makers all over the world. By doing THAT, you're really helping out people. Start a crowdfunding campain to raise funds to fund the investigation and publishing, while creating public awareness about the ongoing research. Here, I'll give you a title for the book, entirely for free: "THE KINGDOM OF SHEEP-HERDING WOLVES - A history of the International Bible Students' movement and the Jehovah's Witnesses"

  This is a good idea and, in fact, would be a follow-on from many articles/posts that I have written, on the theme that the Elder Class (including the President Class and the G.B. Class and various other Classes of the upper-ranks from within the Great Whore) represents, by and large, an extremely evil Wolf Class preying on the sheep. As you've read some of my articles here from 11-13 years ago (perhaps earlier material too), you will be aware this is a theme to which I frequently return.

  Do you want to help people?

  Ummm, well this is something Randy @ freeminds picked up in 1999 - he was more than welcome, and he's one of the real good guys, members of the "P.B." Class:

  http://www.freeminds.org/history/list.htm

  Since I'm its sole author, and made not a dime from it, perhaps you might rephrase your insolent question?

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  Focus

  ("I Bathe Afterwards" Class)
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  Focus

  Yes indeed, Raton these types emerge from their pits, three or four at a time, all accusing me of plagiarism and/or intellectual dishonesty, a foul libel.

  When I respond to their filthy abuse, and of course they are refuted, and scriptural treatment delivered to them, an eye for an eye (Exodus source acknowledged) they start screaming:

  "PERSECUTION, PERSECUTION!"

  and even

  "BAN Focus!"

  Sounds familiar conduct, lol, Raton? Getting dub out of the WTS is one thing, but getting the WTS out of the dub... whew... often (tragically) impossible.

  They cast the stone, realize "oops" and then try to cover up their poor judgement. And then, this sort of sorry fiasco.

  We see the fruits of their own poor research - the same lack of research which resulted in the entanglement of so many in the Mother Whore.

  But the result, unintended or not, of their disruption, is a victory for the Watchtower as the discussion is shredded - exactly as you noted.

  We can't let that stand, can we? My response will be seen as disproportionate, but when sufficiently motivated I will, like the last time, make a RL example of one of these S.P.s. (the "S" stands for "Spiritual", and there's a wide variety of "P"s from which to choose).

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  Focus

  ("Anti-fornication" Class)
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  EdenOne

  http://www.freeminds.org/history/list.htm

  Since I'm its sole author, and made not a dime from it, perhaps you might rephrase your insolent question?

  Focus, are you the sole author of the list found at the link you provided on Freeminds? That list has been very helpful (in a way that I cannot discuss publicly here for risk of being outed). I have found it in at least three different websites, and never saw it credited to anyone. If you're the author, let me tell you, it has been helpful to me. If that's the case, thank you. I don't have any issues in acknowledging merit where it's due.

  Carry on, I'm listening; expect further challenges, but at least I'm loyal when I fire. Remember: "We appreciate frankness from those who like us. Frankness from others is called insolence". - Andre Maurois

  Eden