Where would we go, is the question

by Pistoff 19 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Pistoff
    Pistoff

    What better place, what better world can be offered, is the question tossed at those who have left.

    What if it is just the same place, without taking everything we hear at the kingdom hall as gospel?

    Can we just take with a grain of salt the things we know deep down are without basis?

    It is the same place, with the same friends, but without the drama of feeling that you can never do enough, that you were born sinful.

    A faith that does not ask you to treat your family as disposable; a place that does not kick people to the curb when they need their family the most; a faith that lets you trust your heart, not ignore it.

    Can we just stay in the same place, and realize that we do not have to sacrifice our children’s lives by denying them blood if desperately needed? A place that realizes that David and his men ate the show bread, and were not punished, because they were starving to death; that Jesus healed on the Sabbath, and we applaud him for it, yet to work on the Sabbath was a death dealing sin for a Jew.

    A place that realizes that children cannot make a conscious responsible decision to make a life ending decision, that it is something that only adults can make if they so wish.

    This place is a third way for us, neither dyed in the wool gung ho believer nor ranting apostate, neither of these two stereotypes.

    This is a new place, a middle ground, one that acknowledges that we love those we attend with and don’t wish to alienate them or leave them.

    In this place, we acknowledge that when leaders say they are imperfect, what they really mean is that they are often very wrong, even reversing decisions that affect our lives, even though they feel they can’t be straightforward about it. We are asked to be humble and contrite; can we not expect them to be the same?

    This way takes greater faith, not less faith; it acknowledges that we may be a group that strives to emulate divine thinking but falls short.

    In this place, we ignore the assertions that the voice of God comes through only a group of men in Brooklyn, and recognize that we can determine how to treat our families.

  • designs
    designs

    Beach camping....

  • Pistoff
    Pistoff

    Yeah, designs, I am with you on that.

    I wrote this out this morning in response (in my head only, lol) to this question that a relative posed to a friend of mine who has left:

    If you have something better to offer, I am willing to listen.

    Of course, the witness is programmed to think and say this; the WT cites Peter's words to Jesus, so that is what they do.

    I often wonder, what is it you would miss?

    You could join a church that actually has programs for kids, teens, seniors; softball games, charity programs, outreach.

    Of course, there is no place like the kingdom hall; that can and should be taken 2 ways.

    Also, there is no place like a catholic church, etc.

  • opusdei1972
    opusdei1972

    For those who believe in Christ, there is no exclusive physical place for worshipping God. Two or more met in the name of Christ are sufficient. Furthermore, there is no place in the New Testament which demands you to use the name "Jehovah". Early christians did not use the name YHWH.

  • DesirousOfChange
    DesirousOfChange

    What if it is just the same place, without taking everything we hear at the kingdom hall as gospel?

    Can we just take with a grain of salt the things we know deep down are without basis?

    That's exactly how one of my best friends in the "conscious class" says he does it: ala carte

    Doc

  • Pistoff
    Pistoff

    Opus: Yes indeed, very simple.

    DOC: Awesome, now to get more to this realization, that it can be done and the world won't explode.

  • givemejustalittlemoretime
    givemejustalittlemoretime

    There is a far better place to go.The place Messiah told beleivers to enter into. The Messiah himself, he dwells in you not man made churches . The true church is not made with stones or bricks but dwells within you, Christ is within you, lives in you and he is revealing himself in people who strip away the layers of everything of this world.The KIngdom is within you and hasbeen ruling since the 1st century, there is no need of any other kingdom or thing seen, Messiah did away with that system 2000 years ago.In him there is no law, the seperation of the written wordwhich is the testimony about Christ with the living word has to take place for all to enter into him

  • cofty
    cofty

    Christ is within you, lives in you

    Gibberish.

  • happy@last
    happy@last

    Christ is within you, lives in you

    He's sick and twisted if he lives in me, my first 40 years were dreadful.

    Back to the OP for me I could find a half way point, I am an all or nothing person. Contradications, hypocrisy, lack of love were all I could see once I was thinking for myself. Now I queston everything.

  • blondie
    blondie

    What did Jesus say?

    (John 6:66-70)

    66 Owing to this many of his disciples went off to the things behind and would no longer walk with him. 67 Therefore Jesus said to the twelve: “YOU do not want to go also, do YOU?” 68 Simon Peter answered him: “Lord, whom shall we go away to? You have sayings of everlasting life; 69 and we have believed and come to know that you are the Holy One of God.”

    And right after Jesus said this:

    70 Jesus answered them: “I chose YOU twelve, did I not? Yet one of YOU is a slanderer.” Why did Jesus say this right after? What might he have meant?

    -----

    Peter was not talking about an organization or a place (where) but a person, Jesus.

    How does the WTS get around that? By making themselves the only way to Jesus. WTS/GB = Jesus

    *** w75 11/15 p. 695 par. 14 A Positive Commitment Required for Those Taking Refuge ***

    Thus we can say that God’s wifelike heavenly organization is represented on earth by the well-taught and well-trained associates of Christ Jesus. Hence, not only must we flee from the unclean harlot, Babylon the Great, but we must flee to and find refuge in close association with God’s true woman, the “heavenly Jerusalem,” represented by the virginlike followers of the Lamb, Christ Jesus, on earth. This is clearly seen in the situation that obtains today with that body of Christian people known as Jehovah’s witnesses. Among them, forming a nucleus, there is a remnant of those who are anointed by God’s spirit to the heavenly hope.

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