by givemejustalittlemoretime 53 Replies latest watchtower bible
I am watching "When did Time Begin?" on the series Through the Wormhole that I recorded on 7-23-2014 (originally aired in April). It is a nice overview of the concepts of time by scientists and demonstrations of the science behind it in terms I can understand. It might be worth a look for any posting on here.
http://www.sciencechannel.com/tv-shows/through-the-wormhole/season-5-episodes.htm
The worst enemy that the WBTS have is ----TIME
Hoping that time exist
Bugbear
(The transference of your consciousness to a cybernetic body. Or perhaps having your brain in a jar, IF a way was discovered to preserve it indefinitely. Otherwise, you will die in this physical universe.)
Every cell in human body is a modified bacteria and every bacteria is literally a biological robot. We are just machines, nanobiological ones.
What if we could just change the substrate?
Instead of organic material we could use inorganic ones so you will not be on the hands of organic decay anymore. It's just like to change the wood logs (one after each other) of a cabin by titanium (or "adamantium" LOL) logs. The cabin will be just the same but build with a different (easily renewable) material.
It's a dream? Not at all because it already exists in nature, something produced by a blind process.
And if something exists made by blindness, what you think an intelligent process (science) can achieve?
It's just a matter of reverse engineering and TIME. But what nature took billions of years, science are achieving great things in a little bit more than 300 years.
Nature works in a linear progress but science works in exponential... it will not take too much time to achieve a nanotech body. And you will not need to "transfer" your consciousness all you need to do is substitute parts of your cells little by little and you will never notice the process itself, because it will be painless no need for surgery because it will act in a nanoscale, it's just like to take an aspirin.
As I said before even if you die now the information about you will never be lost in quantum (or spacetime) information, we can (from the future) scan your brain pattern moments before you die and rebuild it. In your perspective it will be just like a general anaesthesia, you will not even notice the time between...
Speaking about it no one never experienced death in first person perspective, because death it's not an event in life you can't experience death. I think to those who died and if we could rebuild them even moments after death they would not remember of dying, just like you don't remember the moment you started to sleep last night.
Bart B.,
Not that I am an expert on these matters, but I believe there is an error in your argument, but it is key to the discovery of relativity.
E = m c^2 implies time, because velocity is the derivative of distance with respect to time. And prior to relativity, save perhaps for Einstein's contemporary Lorentz, time passage was considered a constant and invariant with respect to space. Since the hypothesis to contrary has been applied, it has been proven repeatedly to be not so.
Once estimates of the speed of light were made by systems of instrument starting a couple of centuries ago, physicists were puzzled that the speed of light did not vary with respect to its arrival from moving sources of varying speeds (e.g., Michelson & Morley). Doppler effects were there for sure. Sources moving toward us caused shifts to blue and objects moving away shifted to red. But why did the "clock speed" c of light remain the same?
Further investigation revealed changes of spatial and "temporal" geometry. In effect, relative motion caused changes of clock speed.
The equations of special relativity were the ones that addressed some of the basic geometric relations, and ten years later Einstein came up with the General Relativity relations which are much more comprehensive.
For the moving body time t is distorted by the ratio of the relative speed to light velocity c in the following form. The
t' = t0 [1 - (v/c)^2)^0.5
Or the time in a moving body t' is reduced with respect to a body at rest t0 by a factor with the exponential terms.
Time is also distorted by the presence of mass and its gravitational distortion. And correspondingly, energy distributed over space will have the same effect as the mass.
For a photon, I guess you could say that time has stopped, since its relative velocity is c. But when you divide by zero, this poses problems. And in the case of a body like a black hole, a mass with no finite dimensions, but one where escape velocities can be defined in the spaces surrounding them at levels higher than c, then there is another instance of time stopping - and at lower radii from the center of this mass, doing something drastically different under the "event horizon".
If time can be dilated or stretched by spatial position to mass or energy or else by relative velocity, then I would argue that it exists. Its part of a cosmos for which there was an initial event or cause. It suggests, however, that the Creator resides outside of it - as much as in...
When it came to formulating all of this, Einstein managed to get a lot of mileage out of the notion of passengers in a railroad car or elevator who experience accelerations or force of gravity, but would not be able to distinguish between the tw, the so-called equivalence principle. We can use this as a segue to another idea - and that of the elevator being stuck. This introduces subjective time which seems to be in the background of this discussion: our own perception of time's passage whether exciting ( brief) or monotonous ( extended).
Ah, never mind
So having gone this far, we'll probably have to address free will, quantum mechanics and uncertainties another day...
Yeah I think time is implied in E=mc^2.
Einstein did a very good job discovering that space=time and gravity=acceleration.
Every time you accelerate something you create a gravity force opposite to it. When you're in an accelerated car there's a gravitacional force pushing you back to your seat.
We feel gravity to the center of the planet because the acceleration in time dimension.
So we can make the strange statement that we're stucked on the ground because it's the shortest way between the present and the future.
Who can controls the time will be able to control gravity too.
kepler, very erudite.
for me, it is easier to use the reverse* of the KEPLER laws of planetary motion as a model for time. in these,
The MOTION of the body through fixed space is affected by gravity of a nearer body. It is not the space that is moving differently, although the mass tensiones it. similarly
it is not TIME that is moving differently . It is the body's movement THROUGH time that changes. perhaps you can deal with that model?
With un-moving time, you would not have the "creator" you mentioned on a tread mill for an eternity on a moving time conveyor belt.
* reverse model because in kepler's laws a near mass will accelerate the bodies movement through space, whereas for TIME, the movement of the body is SLOWED.
let it be resolved: time exists, it is fixed, we are moving. ?
Well turning back this issue to a more "theocratical" tone (LOL), I'm always amazed how poetry can grasp deep things in advance.
Speaking about nanotechnological transhumanism, I like very much a quote from the Bible about it:
51 Look! I tell you a sacred secret: We will not all fall asleep in death, but we will all be changed,+ 52 in a moment, in the blink* of an eye, during the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound,+ and the dead will be raised up incorruptible, and we will be changed. 53 For this which is corruptible must put on incorruption,+ and this which is mortal must put on immortality.+ 54 But when this which is corruptible puts on incorruption and this which is mortal puts on immortality, then the saying that is written will take place: “Death is swallowed up forever.”+ 55 “Death, where is your victory? Death, where is your sting?
Here the Apostle Paul (or whatever the writer) are speaking about the concept of (magical) transhumanism.
But the most interesting thing its the word he used, poorly translated in other languages as "in a moment". He chose the greek word ATOMOS here. Even though that time the word have not the modern meaning it's still interesting WHY he doesn't used the word PARAUTIKA as in 2 Cor 4:17 to express a very short time. He chose to use a word that it's not usually a measure of time but matter. He use the word "tiniest particle" to express a measure of time giving the ambiguity to instead talking about time duration he could speaking about in WHAT or HOW we could be transformed. Wich could be translated as "bit by bit" instead of "in a moment". Using the translation "bit by bit" or (why not?) "atomically" would also eliminate the following redundant expression "blink of an eye".
17 For though the tribulation* is momentary and light, it works out for us a glory that is of more and more surpassing greatness* and is everlasting;+
Nanotech transhumanism is based on particle physics, and its very interesting why Paul chose a word that means particle to explain a concept of transhumanism.
These little things that makes me consider the artistic value of the Bible.
John_Mann, if we can let this topic crift into the otherwise discredited bible:
How about Jmes 1: 17 , in the interlinear greek*, about god: "--- with whom there is no turning of the shadow--"?
The "turning shadow" in those writing days being the measurement of movement through time. according to that text,
god is not moving through time. perhaps he does not have to, because outside the rotating earth, the churning universe, time just is, unmoved.
* not just a variation of the turning, but no turning period.
I'm not trying to base my ideas on the bible.
I just showed a curiosity in a crazy ancient book about a very modern topic.
with ~31 000 verses in the bible, there are bound to be some of them, -that just by chance-, might conccur with current thinking on 'time' the dimension and
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