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Crazyguy

The bible says keep on gaining in knowledge, your now here and the knowledge will flow, welcome to the site.

Phizzy

welcome Purrpurr ! it may take awhile to get DM or someone to answer your Techie question abut spying Elders, I guess though that again the answer will be you are safe.

A good number here were born-in with all family in, as I was, so be assured of our empathy, understanding and full support in the future.

Join our happy club !

LoisLane looking for Superman

Welcome purrpurr (meow?)

Welcome lurkernomore .

I am so happy to see 2 adult humans wake up from the drone state, that WT likes to keep its 'people' at.

Welcome to JWN and your new family.

LoisLane from the North Pacific.

Welcome Purr. This has been a good site for robust discussions. About half of us are non believers at least in organized religion. About half (my guess) consider themselves believers or at least spiritual. Most are highly ethical and most will understand what you are saying and experiencing.

Another poster addressing this forum said the following "Thank you for helping me reason myself out of something I never reasoned myself into."

Thats a pretty good description of what happens to born-ins. Your expected to become a baptized JW, your expected to believe the Doctrines and if they change your expected to believe the new replacement doctrine. The reasoning is done by a Corporate Publishing house which is also a real estate holding company.

Critical thinking and or speculation by the rank and file is discouraged .......speculation by the WTBTS is new truth.

This is an open minded forum however there are rules (note the posting guidelines below).

A small but useful tip......... if you post something and catch a typo or something that reads differently then you wanted. You can edit a submitted post. On the far right of your post click on the little pencil on the message box and you will have 30 minutes to do a correction or rewrite or you can delete the entire message.

cofty

Welcome purrpurr.

Keep reading. Never let anybody tell you what to think.

DesirousOfChange

Welcome purr. I could (and prob did) write your OP three years ago. I was a 100% diehard JW Elder and things no longer were adding up. There had been little doubts creeping in for about 10 years. I had convinced myself the 1995 change made sense. (DUH?)

I hope you are ready to "take the red pill".

Get ready for the ride of your life!

Doc

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

Welcome!

"Question. Can the society put spyware on my computer when I go to jw.org? I'm frightened they will find out I'm on this site??"

You have WT technology confused with our old fears of demunz and smurfs. If jw.org was really able to spy on the other sites that JWs were visiting, there would already be a massive wave of JWs dfd for frequenting porn sites.

Xanthippe

Hi purrpurr, I think you are one of three people to join the forum today, glad to have you with us

jam

Welcome!! When I first posted I thought Satan would

strike me down..

ABibleStudent

purrpurr - Thanks dis-member! Since you seem to be the techy sort can I ask... If I take my tablet to the meeting and logon to other websites than jw.org through the kingdom hall WiFi can the elders see what programmes, apps and websites are being asscessed through the halls WiFi modem??

Welcome purrpurr, If businesses can purchase software to monitor their employees' internet activity then the KH can buy that same software to monitor their local WiFi network usage. The KH would not have records connecting a person to a specific computer's id, but they would know when one is accessing a website. If in doubt about your KH's capability, do some investigating to learn if elders at your KH care and have the technical skills, purchase a data plan and only use a 3G/4G modem or smartphone to access the internet at your KH, or investigate whether your KH is close enough to connect to another stable WiFi signal.

DITTO what others have written about never stop doing independent research and critically thinking for yourself. Once you start blindly following others, it is a slippery slope that is hard to stop sliding down.

WARNING: as you start to critically think for yourself, you will be tempted to share what you find with other JWs. DON'T show them what you learn! Instead help them to critically think for themselves by asking them simple questions like Billy the Ex-Bethelite did in the thread exJW Psychology 102--How to Ask a Question When Questions Aren't Allowed. You can help JWs you love get involved in time-consuming non-JW hobbies that they love. Also, you can learn how to overcome thought-stopping platitudes that JWs use like "Where else shall we go" or "True Christians need an organization to guide them."

If you want to learn more how to critically think for yourself (which you are already doing somewhat), read information by reputable cult-exit couselors like Steve Hassan's books (i.e., "Combatting Cult Mind Control", "Releasing the Bonds: Empowering People to Thnk for Themselves", and (his latest book) "Freedom of Mind: Helping Loved Ones Leave Controlling People, Cults and Beliefs"), visiting his website www.freedomofmind.com, and watching his FREE videos on his website.

Learning about TTATT will be an emotional rollercoaster ride for you because the WTBTS uses BITE control to victimize JWs. Please post on JWN as much as you want to to vent your frustrations as well as to learn how to overcome the WTBTS's BITE control.

Best of wishes for you living life free of the WTBTS.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

hello everyone