Torah keepers,

by Mikado 23 Replies latest jw experiences

  • objectivetruth
    objectivetruth

    Objective -

    Jews reject Jesus as the Messiah for some very basic reasons-

    The Jewish Messiah is to be an ordinary human descended from the line of King David, as opposed to someone claiming to be God in the flesh.

    -Jesus Never claimed to be God in the Flesh.

    -Jesus was an ordinary Man.. It was this very reason that they Rejected him.. Jesus’ earthly ministry disappointed many people. He came to set the captives free, and yet John the Baptist was not just imprisoned, he was beheaded. (Matthew 14:10). The Pharisees expected the Messiah to honor them and to fulfill the Law as they saw it. But Jesus condemned their hypocrisy, their greed, and their misinterpretation of the Law.

    The people escorted Jesus into Jerusalem with the "Red Carpet" rolled out..they expected Him to save them from their oppressors and reign as David’s heir. They did not realize that he came as the Servant of the Lord to die for the sins of His people. He rode a donkey, a sign that He came in peace, rather than a war-horse, which a conqueror would have ridden.

    Jesus’ disciples were disappointed when He did not show any political ambition. Although He told them several times that He was going to Jerusalem to die, the disciples didn’t understand what He meant. Even up until the night before His death, the disciples sought places of honor next to him, confident that He was about to become king.

    The Jewish Messiah was/is to bring peace to the world (first time out) this man did not.

    - Jesus did not bring the type of Peace they wrongly expected, but he did bring peace John 14:27 " Peace I leave with you; my peace I give to you. Not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your hearts be troubled, neither let them be afraid."

    This Messiah is to support the Jewish people and bring them home to Israel and oversee the rebuilding of the Temple, Jesus did none of these.

    - I don't have the answer off hand on this one, what scripture are you referencing?

    Regarding Jesus Death, I won't discuss this topic in Public.. PM ifyou'd like to discuss.

  • objectivetruth
    objectivetruth

    Yes Jesus of the Gospels certainly betrayed the Jewish people. He said something horrrible and totally Un-Messianic to the Jewish people- "you see the Temple, not a stone will be left upon another" Mark 13:2.

    - This was a prophecy, not a threat.

    History is the greatest condemner of Jesus as the Messiah. Since the Jewish Messiah was to bring world peace it is obvious that 2000 years of violent history perpetrated by Jesus Christians on each other and on their fellow humans shows that this Jesus is a fraud and certainly no God. Never once in 2000 has this Jesus lifted a finger to stop Christian violence.

    - 2 Samuel 14:14 " Like water spilled on the ground, which cannot be recovered, so we must die. But that is not what God desires; rather, he devises ways so that a banished person does not remain banished from him."

    God devised a way for Jesus to bring Peace to every Righteous Jew and Non-Jew Starting With Adam. After he suffered in the flesh, he released all the righteous captives from Sheol.

  • designs
    designs

    What you write in defense of Jesus just proves the point- he was not the Jewish Messiah, but he certainly did have a lot of excuses.

  • objectivetruth
    objectivetruth

    Was it him that made the Defenses or was it his Disciples, and the writers of the NT afterwards... If you examine Jesus life course, he didn't really teach a lot of Religous Doctrine as we understand it. His teachings focused on Loving your neighbors, Loving The Father and Morality.. Sure he spoke symbolicaly at times, regarding end times prophecies..

    He said very little about his identity, what he did say was “This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.” (John 6:29) - To believe in Hebrew is Concrete and requires Action.. The believe that Jesus spoke of is Accomplished by Following his Example.. It is MUCH MORE than a simple acknowledgment that he was the son of god.

    He explains this concept well at Luke 6:46 “Why do you call me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do what I tell you?

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