pros and cons of anti depessants?

by Crazyguy 63 Replies latest jw friends

  • AFRIKANMAN
    AFRIKANMAN

    I have been in the big-D since 2010 - 30 + months of dark hell.

    Was first put on a combination of paxil and Molipaxin?? which turned me into a Zombie and i tried suicide twice.

    Then Ciprilex - no change

    Now on Effexor [Venlafaxine] and it kicked in within 3 weeks and I am now in "remission" "

    Please note : you gotta work out your own modality but it will have to be multi-leveled ie Psychology / Psychiatry / Exercise / CBT / family support etc etc

    I was dead scared of going on with meds after the Paxil episode but the Effexor is working - However I believe it is a "bitch" to come off. I forgot to take it a few times and within 6 hours I was dipping and getting "brain-zaps"

    And ......................not being involved in religion was one of the biggest +'s toward recovery !

    Actually when I was truly in "the Vale of Deep Shadow" with the D NOT ONE of my fellow elders even came to visit me !

    It got me heading for the door more rapidly.

  • Mikado
    Mikado

    objective truth,

    that was NEVER my experience with physiatrists.

    i never found one that was a glorified drug dealer.

    i had well trained professionals that cared for me and helped me to recover.

    I never had anyone sit and tick off boxes

    NOONE ever sat there and ticked off boxes, they all helped me to talk, and as I started to recover to make decisions as to how to manage my feelings and stressors.

    without their help I would not have made it through.

    cognitive behaviour therapy is a great thing, but not when you are so far down the dark place you can't think. you need chemical assistance to get out of there first then you can make changes...

  • Dis-Member
    Dis-Member

    dis member, if you're depression is severe enough, you literally cannot function. you can't garden, you can't walk, you can't do any of the things you are recommending. These are all good things, but not when you are severly clinically depressed.

    I'm not so sure.. I watched my mother die and choke to death very slowly of lung cancer over a 6 month period.. a couple of years before that my father was murdered and his killer was found completely not guilty in a prolonged Old Bailey Crown Court murder trial. A couple of years before that my grandmother passed away.

    So I think I more than qualified for clinical depression. I was a serious mess I can tell you. My entire soul and spirit were almost completely snuffed out by these events. Yet I did not take a single pill. I had no family support and no counselling of any kind either. I was completely alone. It was without any doubt the most difficult period of my life to survive. I got off my ass and spent as much time in the country and outdoor fresh air as I could. It took about 5 years but I managed to heal and bring myself out of it and back to life with simple nature.

    I mentioned before that I had tried anti-depressants one night years before all these events took place... and it was the very effects that pill itself that made me completely unable to function and not the depression.

    With the depression I know what the problem is.. I can see what's causing it.. I can try to work out a solution.. I know who and what I am.

    With the anti-depressant pill I could not even think straight.. I could not even get out of my bed. I did not even know who I was!

    And they call that a solution????

  • Mikado
    Mikado

    oh that's an awful story.

    I am so sorry that you went through all of that.

    you must be a very strong person, I think that comes through in your writing......:):)

    it may be that you have more reserves than the ordinary person, MOST people with severe clinical depression are simply not capable of doing many if the things that do in fact help you recover.

    that said, there is a strong genetic component, as there seems to be in most things now.

    I so hope you are in a better place now...

  • Julia Orwell
    Julia Orwell

    Keep away from Efexor as it has a lot of side effects. I take Laxapro and it has no side effects. My mother took Zoloft for a few months and was ok, helped her get her brain chemistry back on track.

  • rowan
    rowan

    Please, please, seek professional help in this matter.

    No one can possibly make an informed decision based on the opinions posted in this thread. These are anecdotal at best, and in no way applicable to the particular set of factors that dictate the appropriateness of a) choosing psychotropics as a method of treatment b) which psychotropic is the right one for any given individual.

    It takes years of studying, then training under supervision, and then getting honed by experience in the field, for a licensed behavioral health provider to get an inkling of what it takes to arrive to the right diagnosis, then be able to choose which category of medications might be the best given the diagnosis and the patient (depending on age [old people metabolize drugs differently, so do renals, and people wiht liver dysfunction; and as for kids, there are few drugs approved for that group, given higher suicide risk in the beginning of the treatment], gender [sexual dysfunction], weight, metabolic problems, lifestyle, occupation, other chronic ongoing conditions, interactions with other life prolonging medications, ... etc, etc.

    I've been practicing medicine for 7 years now. I know my drugs well. I know what I prescribe. I've gotten better at what I do. And yet, more often that I would like, the medications that I prescribe do not work, or have bad side effects. It is a good thing that I spend good time counseling about a chosen medication, focusing mainly on possible side effects.

    It takes trial and error to get to the right medication for some people. For plain old depression first choice is usually an SSRI. If after maximizing doses of at least 2 drugs in that family is not effective, then my next step is to go to an SNRI. Then consider adding tricyclic. Then consider mood stabilizer/ new generation antipsychotic. While always trying to keep the med list to a functional minimum of substances.

    I am a family doc. Given the lack of psychiatrists in my area, I have had to raise up to the needs of my population. I got out of res with my little arsenal of safe medications repertoire for the treatment of mild, at most moderate, depression and anxiety. It is now on me to treat patients with major depression and bipolar disorder because it can take them up to 9 months to get an appointment with a psychiatrist. With regards to schizophrenia, I might continue prescribing if they are stable, and if unstable, I'll pick up the phone and ask for advice from a specialist.

    In my 4 years of independent practice I got better. I will not treat a bipolar for depression and totally screw them over, I hope. But I will not presume to have the feel for medication management of psych diseases that a trained psychiatrist has. I will never have that.

    My advise to anyone struggling with emotional turmoil is to seek professional help. If the distress is not overbearing, find a recommended therapist. The therapist will be able to guide you through the system and refer you to a psychiatrist, preferably. If that is not available, get a family doctor. And not one fresh out of residency, if you can be picky. 5 years into unsupervised practice, that should give that provider some experience, even if they are a numbskull. As for nurse practicioners, be careful (I am talking about Family Medicine NP, not Psych NP) The base of knowledge required for them to graduate is... basic. And they get no supervised training prior to being sprung onto the world, they are supposed to be supervised by a doc, well, docs are already overwhelmed with their own practices. NPs are trained to follow algorythms. That being said, I have worked with some NPs whose practices (in terms of knowledge, common sense, documentation) are superior to MDs. But donĀ“t ever, ever get a newbie NP (to treat mental illness)

    Finally, remember that everything in life has side effects, like driving. Statistically, we are at the most danger to our lives while commuting to work every day. Psych medications are a life saver for a lot of people. I am biased, because, I know that I would not be alive without my medications. Every attempt of weaning off was catastrophic. While pregnant with my healthy children, I attempted quitting, and it always came down to the choice between an unkown potential side effect from a known to be relatively safe medication for the fetus, and my actually staying functional, as in... non suicidal, and be able to carry on with my pregnancy in the first place. For others, like my beloved parents, taking meds would add guilt and shame to the already tortured existence they live. Meds are not for everyone. There are many modalities of treatment for anxiety and depression. Meds are just one them. In the long run, it has been shown that meds work as well as psychotherapy when done exclusively of each other. Meds + psychotherapy work together better and faster than either one alone.

  • Dis-Member
    Dis-Member

    This thread was not whether or not to seek professional help for depression. It was about the pros and cons of anti-depressants. So everyone's comments and experiences are valid.

    Of course one should seek and explore professional help but I think looking at the subject from every possible angle is definitely beneficial.

  • rowan
    rowan

    Julia, Effexor is an SNRI. In general, should not be used as a first line. there are "milder" medications to be tried first, such as Lexapro (SSRI), which works quite well for a lot of people. In my practice, by the time I put Effexor on the table is because we are at a point where the benefit of the med outweights the risks of side effects. Side effects which are quite typical and predictable, for the most part. starting at a small dose and slowly increasing usually works well with Effexor. Something else I notice with Effexor is that some people experience withdrawals even 10-12 h after the last dose, even on the XR formulation. so we try a twice a day regimen of the XR, yes, and those people do well. Most important is to advise that such and such side effect can happen. most common with Effexor, when starting, and coming off are "the head zaps". nausea, headaches, being in the twilight zone. these usually go away in a week. sometimes these are strong and intolerable, and then it is time for a change.

    And the above about Effexor goes for Cymbalta, also a SNRI. but trippled over. Cymbalta is big guns. last resort, mainly because I don't want to burn it too soon for a person who might need it in years to come. and the side effects are as above but again, trippled over. Again, if we are at the point of choosing Cymbalta, they really need to try it. and it will be uncomfortable for a few days.

  • Fernando
    Fernando

    There are several Psychiatrists who are/were to varying degrees involved with anti-psychiatry, that will give you all the cons of taking addictive and synthetic medicines.

    Some names that come to mind: Peter Breggin, Thomas Szasz, Ronald Laing, Al Siebert, and Courtenay Harding.

    Some of their books may also be useful.

    Depression is serious enough to demand pro-active and professional attention.

    Professionals that may be able to help with alternative therapies and medicines: Psychologist, Naturopath, Exercise Physiologist, and so on...

    Integrative Medicine recognises that there are multiple dimensions to health and illness, along with many different types of medicine. This is reflected in the body-mind-spirit-social model.

    Exercise is medicine (aerobic more so than anaerobic), laughing is medicine, sex is medicine, fruit and vegetables are medicine, quality sleep is medicine, and so on...

  • Fernando
    Fernando

    This seems to be video 4 in a series. It mentions the 5th video in the series which apparently talks about depression...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_profilepage&v=0F_kLbtnWWM

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