This week's Book study :the chicken or egg debate

by raymond frantz 12 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  Aroq

  raymond frantz

  You mentioned that charis does not mean "undeserved kindness", I agrre with you, however if we look at the phrase in question there is a word that indicate a free gift. That word is:

  G1432

  δωρεάν

  dōrean

  do-reh-an'

  Accusative case of G1431 as adverb;
  gratuitously (literally or figuratively): - without a {cause} {freely} for {naught} in vain.

  So I would have to disagree with you on the part where you said there is not free gift in the passage. Now then we have to look at ourselves, are we worthy of such a gift? If not, then the gift would be undeserved would it not?

  G5485

  χάρις

  charis

  khar'-ece

  From G5463 ; graciousness (as {gratifying }) of manner or act (abstract or concrete; {literal} figurative or spiritual; especially the divine influence upon the {heart} and its reflection in the life; including gratitude ): - {acceptable} {benefit} {favour} {gift} grace ({-ious}) joy {liberality} {pleasure} thank ({-s} -worthy).

  The word gratuity from wikipedia :"gratuity", dates back either to the 1520s, from "graciousness", from the French gratuité (14th century) or directly from Medieval Latin gratuitas, "free gift", probably from earlier Latin gratuitus, "free, freely given"
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  Band on the Run

  There are hundreds of thousands of active Christians who don't believe what you think they believe. You make grand assumptions. I never believed in ransom. The concepts of perfection, holiness, and wiping out people when you created the imperfection don't make any sense. In fact, I doubt they made sense to most people when they were first written.

  As an active believer, I am always amazed at how you leap from a small part of Christianity during another time period to all Christians everywhere in the universe under any time standard. These were stories when they were written. There are deeper lessons about civilization in the stories. It is interesting to read what I never believed from your posts. Give it a small rest. I also must state that I feel there is something deeper going on with you than wiping out Christianity. Why is your investment so large?

  I've lived in urban areas but I would say perhaps less than ten percent of Christians I know believe what you assert. Who cares?
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  bobld

  Is Jehovah really a righteous judge and is just.NOT .This publication (which is full of manure) says Jehovah executed those who deliberately violated his righteous laws(Israelites in the promised land).What righteous laws?Good Lord-some 600 b.s.laws.

  God-what happened to your JUSTICE in Deut:22:22 Your own righteous law says "Both of them must die"So why did you not execute King David.This God is wishy-washy.