According to JWs' application of Acts 15:29, shouldn't they also be refusing medical examinations by gynecologists?

by Island Man 21 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  Island Man

  Watchtower uses the following twisted logic to equate receiving a blood transfusion, with feeding on blood:

  Feeding is sometimes done by injecting nutrients intravenously.
  Blood transfusions are carried out by injecting blood intravenously.
  Therefore the intravenous injecting of blood can be equated with feeding intravenously.
  Hence, true christians refuse blood transfusions in order to obey the biblical command to "abstain from blood".

  Now notice how the same kind of twisted logic leads to the equating of an invasive examination by a gynecologist, with sexual intercourse:

  Sexual intercourse is often done by inserting the penis into the vagina.
  Certain invasive examinations by a gynecologist is done by inserting an instrument into the vagina.
  Therefore such invasive gynecological examinations can be equated with sexual intercourse.
  Hence, true christians refuse such gynecological examinations that are performed by someone to whom they're not married, in order to obey the biblical command to "abstain from fornication".

  It's the same kind of twisted reasoning, isn't it?

  Could this be a good illustration to help JWs wake up?

  Maybe, without bringing up the blood issue, you can just use their own twisted logic to make the point that they should refuse invasive examinations by gynecologists. Then let the JW reason it out and explain to you why you can't equate such an examination with sex. Then once they've reasoned it out, use their own reasoned out explanation against them by applying it to show that injecting nutrients is similarly not equivalent to injecting transfused blood.

  What's the difference between sex and the gyn exam? Purpose and intent. The purpose and intent for which the penis is inserted during sex, are completely different to the purpose and intent for which the instrument is inserted for the examination. The same applies to injecting food nutrients vs injecting a blood transfusion.

  What do you think?
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  Island Man

  By the way the scenario can also be applied to men by comparing a digital prostate examination with homosexual intercourse, i.e. sodomy.
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  Dis-Member

  I found this comment on a site discussing that very thing. It's something that's just not normally talked about or it's just ignored or put up with but there is definitely a valid debate here.

  Quote:

  "It is really surprising that there is still public controversy about the question of male doctor eroticism during a pelvic exam. The medical community recognizes the problem - Why don't you ladies? I will summarize what I see on the matter, and you tell me what facts I have wrong and were my logic has gone astray. Medical textbooks inform the young male medical student that it is "inevitable and unavoidable" that erotic sensations will occur while doing a pelvic exam. Textbooks at least into the 1980's provide this caution. Medical students relate stories that male professors would often comment that "if you do the pelvic correctly you won't need extra lube when you do the bimanual exam." Occasionally medical journals publish cautionary memoirs about young male doctors who "fall in love" with female patients while looking at and feeling the patient's breast and genitals, the tale always ending with a warning from an older colleague. The medical profession has frequently ordered surveys by medical school personnel to determine the extent of sexual violations during intimate encouters in the doctor's office. The published results of self-confession indicate high rates of abuse by male gynecologist (not ear, nose and throat doctors), sometimes running as high as 20%. When male gynecology developed over one hundred years ago there was no denial of eroticism for the male. The novel practice of a man examining the female anatomy was simply defended as a practical necessity - there was no female in the profession to do the job. You want good health, you go to the male doctor. As I have said, textbooks and procedures acknowledged the explosive nature of the exam and doctors quickly set up the chaperone sytsem to reduce the tension. It is only recently as female doctors have moved into the field that male doctors and their followers have come up with the absurd notion that a male can examine a female body in the most intimate manner, and experience absolutely no sexual response. In other words, it has been discovered that male gynecologists are unique in the human species - after six million years of evolutionary development in which the male "automatically" responds to the sight and touch of the female genitals, this all can be blocked out by a couple years in the medical lab. To those of you who comment that the pelvic exam is a simple medical procedure, I say of course it is, but what is the real nature of that procedure. To those of you who say you feel comfortable with your male doctor, I say your comment tells us nothing about what the male doctor is thinking nor anything about your level of awareness. To those of you who say all I want is the best doctor, I respond that all of us want that and I want more. I receive what I want from my female gynecologist. Common sense and a bit a research will indicate to all that it doesn't matter whether he is wearing a white coat and a stethescope, or a tweed jacket with a pipe, he is still underneath a man."
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  sparrowdown

  Yes I imagine back in good ole bible days that the GB like to pretend to base all their cockamamie rules on,

  a woman could have been stoned to death for letting anyone other than her "husbandly owner"get anywhere near her va jay-jay.

  But as we all know it is JW perogative to decide which camel to gulp down and which gnat to strain.
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  Dis-Member

  I'm not sure what the JW's view is in this but vast numbers of Christians and Mormons would consider any examination of a female by a male (and in sonme cases a female) a form of fornication.
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  abbasgreta

  By the same token, a pregnant jw should therefore request a caesarian birth or it may be concluded

  she is a paedophile. Vomit-inducing watchtower cult.
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  AndDontCallMeShirley

  Now notice how the same kind of twisted logic leads to the equating of an invasive examination by a gynecologist, with sexual intercourse

  Is a gynecologist with large fingers considered well hung?

  WT has their hands in everything.
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  Stormcrow

  If it's ok to be starkers in front of a doctor, then isn't it also ok to be starkers in front of an artist or photographer? Surely they are all professionals;and if it isn't alright then WT please cut the illogical double standards.
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  BluePill2

  WT cult: donors semen in your wife = adultery (pregnant from someone else other than husband)

  Bible: Mary got pregnant...

  ...well, never mind.
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  NewYork44M

  I am scheduled for a colonoscopy tomorrow. I can only imagine where this analogy is going. Yikees!