Question:What do JWs hide from new converts?

by jerome 18 Replies latest watchtower scandals

  • jerome
    jerome

    One of the characteristics of a cult is deceptive recruting practices. I would like to ask some specific questions about the accuracy of information that I have gathered thus far.

    1) How much do the JWs stress on the usage of theocratic warfare
    in the field service?

    2) Are the JWs given specific instances of doctrines and practices
    unique to them that they are supposed to hide from potential converts?

    jerome

    [typos i before e etc...]

    The Bible is a two edged sword wield it for evil and there may be hell to pay.

  • Will Power
    Will Power

    i before e except after c

  • jerome
    jerome

    Come on...

    No replys and these question are so easy?

  • wokeup
    wokeup

    No specific instructions that I've been aware of. The deception is by OMISSION. The two current 'tools' used to groom potential converts do not address the ramifications of openly questioning the validity,accuracy of the anonimous literature or authority of the self-proclaimed spiritual leaders who carry the shroud of anonymitity as well.
    The current Organization book uses many blanket generalizations that sound good but gives the elder bodies a blank check to attempt to silence any potential threat. One example is found on page 146 "...safegaurding the moral and spiritual cleaness of the congregation and protecting its name".This is just one example.
    Allen

  • jerome
    jerome

    Ok thanks for that reply.

    but what aabout the first question? I've asked that very same question many times before but i never got an anwser.

    jerome

  • Will Power
    Will Power

    hi jerome, did you happen to catch Metatron's thread on Jesus being unemployed?
    This by far is what they hide, that they are anti-

    Sorry can't paste thread, gotta go to bed, mmmmmmmm bed.

  • JanH
    JanH

    jerome,

    1) How much do the JWs stress on the usage of theocratic warfare in the field service?

    Now, that is a very good question. The answer is somewhere between "not very much" and "not at all."

    Fact is, growing up a JW, I had never even heard the term before I learned it from opponents some time before I left the movement. Anticultists do, in my opinion, grossly oversell the term "thecratic war strategy" in anti-WTS propaganda. It is simply not true that there are instructions to rank & file JWs to deceive or lie in the 'preaching work.' That some outsiders are left with this impression from reading anti-WT material is IMO very unfortunate.

    The simplistic argumentation does not take into account the complexity of the process that makes a convert into a 'publisher' who is willing to give outsiders a grossly distorted picture of the organisation. JWs learn by examples, and they learn by trial and error. WT literature typically tells a tale that may be technically true, but grossly misleading. JWs learn from this example, and practice the same form of deception. Sometimes JW spokesmen tells outright lies. True believers rationalize this dishonesty in various ways, and then they follow up the examples of their superiours.

    One example. When I met with objections against the shunning policy in 'field service', and somebody told me that JWs were not even allowed to talk to close relatives that were disfellowshipped, I rebuttted this by pointing out that my own mother was DFd, and yet I had steady contact with her. This was totally true. What I omitted was the fact that I hereby violated official WT policy, and that I had met some criticism from other JWs for this. Yet, when I employed this tactic in field service, I was praised for being able to use such a good argument. So I learned to deceive.

    Another example. JWs don't like to be asked if they believe that only they will be saved. The question is dodged by saying that 'god is the judge' or something along those lines, or it can be answered by saying JWs believe that millions of non-JWs will be saved. True, since it refers to those who will be resurrected, but grossly misleading since it doesn't answer what the questioner really wanted to know.

    The JW organization is a massive sales organization. Rutherford organized it like a business, not a church. It is typical for salesmen to 'put their best foot forward' as the saying goes, and this includes being economical with inconvenient truths. JWs do the same. The community rewards success, and it does not punish success if it is achieved through less-than-honest methods. Thus, the JW sales force has an incentive to be dishonest, and they generally are.

    The term 'theocratic war strategy' really is an offical, if rarely used, WTS expression. One can speculate that it was coined by the topmost leadership, who were able to see they were actually deceptive in many cases, as a rationalization and justification for lying. I doubt there has ever been a meeting in any Kingdom Hall anywhere where an elder has explicitly encouraged deception and lies, using this expression. On the contrary, JWs are somehow convinced through a massive dose of doublethink that even when they are dishonest, they are telling 'the Truth'.

    - Jan
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    - "How do you write women so well?" - "I think of a man and I take away reason and accountability." (Jack Nicholson in "As Good as it Gets")

  • jerome
    jerome

    Thanks Jan that was a really great reply.

    It is true that I got the wrong impression about the use of
    theocratic war stragety and the extent to which it is discussed
    thanks for making things a little more clear.

  • Pathofthorns
    Pathofthorns

    I think most JWs are aware that some of their doctrines could be viewed negatively by the public so these are often reserved for discussion out of the public eye AFTER an individual has made a measure of progress.

    JWs logically tend to build confidence in themselves and what they teach by showing new ones things that appear to have been hidden from people such as God's name being "Jehovah" etc. After having slowly built up confidence in themselves and a measure of trust it is easier for the newly interested one to accept less palatable doctrines.

    Probably the biggest thing that is hidden from new ones is the lack of love and the problems that exists among members in congregations. This is usually out of a desire not to "stumble" a new person with negativity and these new ones are usually love bombed as well which tends to give a false picture of JW life.

    I don't think many JWs would admit there is an organized effort to deceive but they have been influenced to make themselves look more problem free than they actually are and things are certainly hidden from new ones for them to experience the hard way after much time has been invested in this religion.

    Path

  • jerome
    jerome

    Could someone expand upon the statement that there is lack of love
    generally among the JWs?

    jerome

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