by Mr. Falcon 21 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
"It doesn't matter how good, how sincere, how much they help the poor, how much they believe in the bible, etc they are, if they aren't part of Jehovah's visible organization which the bible clearly says is through a faithful and discreet slave, then they will die at armageddon."
I think I would counter with: Can you show me anywhere that says the "domestics" must eat the food distributed by that slave or else die at Armageddon?
good point, Justoutnow.
rather they are lookimg for those that would actually benefit from the goodnews, whos lives are screwed up etc etc.
So, by this reasoning, why are other Christian groups that run charities and assistance programs condemened by the JWs as "false religion"?
Aren't they helping people who's lives are "screwed up" too?
Your isolated example of a "perfect" man is just one in a million and not a typical scenario they enter regularly or even often.
Agreed. Yet this example I cited was not meant to allude to a perfect human being, but as a person who fulfills the role of "Christian" to the greatest extent possible for an "imperfect" person, which while rare, is not entirely impossible.
"It doesn't matter how good, how sincere, how much they help the poor, how much they believe in the bible, etc they are, if they aren't part of Jehovah's visible organization which the bible clearly says is through a faithful and discreet slave, then they will die at armageddon."
EndofMysteries, I have a few relatives like that, too
I think I would counter with: Can you show me anywhere that says the "domestics" must eat the food distributed by that slave or else die at Armageddon?
leaving_quietly, they'd probably point you to a recent hard-liner article in a Watchtower, which has become increasingly hostile in its tone as of late.
I believe only God, who knows hearts and minds, can only answer that with accuracy. This is why is not good practice to discount or look down on anyone.
We as JWs do our proselytism as we believe, but God shall provide answers to this and many other unanswered questions by mankind.
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We as JWs do our proselytism as we believe, but God shall provide answers to this and many other unanswered questions by mankind.
So, what is the point of trying to preach your brand of Christianity as the means to true salvation to people who are already Christian?
And why shun/DF JWs who don't feel that salvation can only be attained under such absolute conditions (alliegence to the "Faithful Slave")?
So that's it? "God will give us all the answers someday but until then let's exercise authoritative control of the lives of our members?" I'm no believer but if I were, I'd say that is a pretty insultive view of your deity.
Falcon, also bear in mind the org softened at times and used the parable of the fisherman and the dragnet to admit that many christain charities did do good in exposing some to christianity that otherwise wouldnt have been exposed.
Your overall point is solid and valid, but dubbies mental gymnastics will let them avoid the full reality of it. There is no magic bullet, we need a wide array of reasoning topics, including the pointlessness of the preachimg work, to help those that want to, to get free.
Falcon, also bear in mind the org softened at times and used the parable of the fisherman and the dragnet to admit that many christain charities did do good in exposing some to christianity that otherwise wouldnt have been exposed.
Very true, however, on the other hand, the Watchtower Society has at times taken a more harsher stance on those who are critical or are "stumbled" by their actions in recent years.
dubbies mental gymnastics will let them avoid the full reality of it. There is no magic bullet, we need a wide array of reasoning topics, including the pointlessness of the preachimg work, to help those that want to, to get free.
Well spoken.
This is a great thread for any type of reader, those stuck in, those out, those lurking. It gets right at the heart of the REASON the JW religion exists in the first place.
leaving_quietly, they'd probably point you to a recent hard-liner article in a Watchtower, which has become increasingly hostile in its tone as of late.
Yes. Yes, they would. My response, if they are amenable to getting a response, would be to point them to what Christs' words at Luke 9:49,50: "In response John said: “Instructor, we saw someone expelling demons by using your name, and we tried to prevent him, because he is not following with us.” But Jesus said to him: “Do not try to prevent him, for whoever is not against you is for you.”
Your OP credits the JWs with the ability to reason and a heart able to empathize.
The answer is, No.
All else is obfuscating detail.
Your OP credits the JWs with the ability to reason and a heart able to empathize.
The answer is, No.
All else is obfuscating detail.
Hahaha, the irony of crediting JWs with those qualities you mentioned is not lost on me, steve2. But as leaving_quietly pointed out, the goal is to at least try to get someone trapped or currently being exposed to the JWs to think, even if in the most elementary of senses.
